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x2cool 09-09-2010 07:33 AM

Yeah fox should die! And yea it's true, one guy can start something huge, although I don't know if all the news coverage he's getting just motivates him to do these things. Well well see what he does on Saturday I'm sure.

kujiratyan 09-09-2010 07:57 AM

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/...t-press-award/

What is the difference between Terry Jones and Kurt Westergaard?
One is criticized in the U.S. and Europe,the other is praised in Europe.Both of them are disgusting for Muslim.
Terry Jones should draw cartoons in which they attack Muslim and burn the Quran?

x2cool 09-09-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kujiratyan (Post 828229)
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/...t-press-award/

What is the difference between Terry Jones and Kurt Westergaard?
One is criticized in the U.S. and Europe,the other is praised in Europe.Both of them are disgusting for Muslim.
Terry Jones should draw cartoons in which they attack Muslim and burn the Quran?

It does seem similar doesn't it? I mean one guy did something offensive and was rewarded for it, and the other is going to do something and is being criticized because of it. When it seems to me like what they are known for is similar. And I think that just because some one has the "right" to say something , that doesn't mean that they should. I mean I wouldn't go around yelling profanity at random people just because I can, right?

noodle 09-09-2010 11:38 AM

This guy is crazy, but the extremists he's provoking are crazier! I hope nothing bad happens to innocent Americans!

steamboatsam 09-09-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 828176)
Is that what you call news?

Sadly yes, major news anyway. Your looking at what major media news should be should instead of what it is. Every major news group finds a story and will go further by "twisting" the story based on it's particluar bias on it. CNN does it, NBC does it, and FOX happens to do it a little more than others. Does that mean we should not use it as a possible source?

MMM 09-09-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by steamboatsam (Post 828253)
Sadly yes, major news anyway. Your looking at what major media news should be should instead of what it is. Every major news group finds a story and will go further by "twisting" the story based on it's particluar bias on it. CNN does it, NBC does it, and FOX happens to do it a little more than others. Does that mean we should not use it as a possible source?

You are absolutely wrong there. No one does it like FOX News does. They do it so much there are TV shows that thrive on "untwisting" their twists, like The Daily Show and in the radio.

Please Steamboatsam, start watching other channels. Try listening to NPR for some. There may be less fireworks and less shouting, but it's actually healthier for you.

The people that think Pres. Obama is a socialist Muslim born in Africa didn't get their news from NPR.

PumaMan 09-09-2010 05:35 PM

This sort of behavior makes me want to move to another country. I wish I was younger. I think I might try to move to Japan -- after learning the language. I know this sounds awful to say but I'm not real proud of this country.

Ronin4hire 09-09-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kujiratyan (Post 828229)
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/...t-press-award/

What is the difference between Terry Jones and Kurt Westergaard?
One is criticized in the U.S. and Europe,the other is praised in Europe.Both of them are disgusting for Muslim.
Terry Jones should draw cartoons in which they attack Muslim and burn the Quran?

I think drawing a cartoon and burning a Koran are completely different.

For a start the cartoons were misinterpreted.

MMM 09-09-2010 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PumaMan (Post 828270)
This sort of behavior makes me want to move to another country. I wish I was younger. I think I might try to move to Japan -- after learning the language. I know this sounds awful to say but I'm not real proud of this country.

This is the insane behavior of one man that has been criticized by just about every one. If you want to move to Japan to get away from crazy people you will be severely disappointed.

steamboatsam 09-09-2010 05:55 PM

You use the Daily show, a fake news show that does comedy acts about news reports, as a reference of untwisting FOX twisted reports? And you get on me about FOX.

I'm trying to state FOX is always right, it isn't and nobody othe channel is. I'm trying to state something similar to what Jaydelart stated earlier. That a report from one source should not be disregarded because of the source's methods and bias of investigation and/or reporting and/or its background. It should be seen and then, if the person is interested in it, to be looked deeper by other sources who did a similar report and see their opinions. Do you write a research paper with just one resource? No, you use multiple resources. The same should go with news when making a decision of what part of a report is real.

Ronin4hire 09-09-2010 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 828263)
You are absolutely wrong there. No one does it like FOX News does. They do it so much there are TV shows that thrive on "untwisting" their twists, like The Daily Show and in the radio.

Please Steamboatsam, start watching other channels. Try listening to NPR for some. There may be less fireworks and less shouting, but it's actually healthier for you.

The people that think Pres. Obama is a socialist Muslim born in Africa didn't get their news from NPR.

I want to back up MMM here as I feel so strongly on this.

Watch other channels!
The BBC is the most reliable for me as it is state owned (but not state run) and doesnt need to "sell" stories to the extent that other world networks need to.

The BBC also shows way more in the way of documentaries and investigative journalist pieces and less in the way of opinion and talk shows like Glenn Beck, Rachael Maddow or Cooper Anderson.

PumaMan 09-09-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 828274)
This is the insane behavior of one man that has been criticized by just about every one.

I hope you're right but I have this feeling that there is a lot of silent support in the US for this kind of behavior.

Jaydelart 09-09-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PumaMan (Post 828270)
This sort of behavior makes me want to move to another country. I wish I was younger. I think I might try to move to Japan -- after learning the language. I know this sounds awful to say but I'm not real proud of this country.

You want a better country? Contribute to its improvement by striving to better yourself -- and hope that others will do the same. Realize Japan has its own set of messes to worry about.

PumaMan 09-09-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 828279)
You want a better country? Contribute to its improvement by striving to better yourself -- and hope that others will do the same.

After trying to do this (in my own small ways) for 45 adult years I'm a little weary . . . .

PumaMan 09-09-2010 06:22 PM

I wish we could "reboot" this planet without religion -- in a similar manner to Arthur C. Clarke's novel The Songs of Distant Earth.

Ronin4hire 09-09-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PumaMan (Post 828282)
I wish we could "reboot" this planet without religion -- in a similar manner to Arthur C. Clarke's novel The Songs of Distant Earth.

Religion is just ideology.

The only difference is that its packaged itself with "tradition" and sold to everyone as religion.

And it is impossible to live in a world without ideology.

The problem in the west is that it is not treated the same as ideology. We are allowed to hate socialism and even demonizing socialists is OK (sometimes, even when they arent socialists)... if someone said that they hate Islam or Christianity however and all of a sudden you come off as a bigot. (Which is wrong.. you are only a bigot if you hate Muslims and Christians)

PumaMan 09-09-2010 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 828284)
. . . you are only a bigot if you hate Muslims and Christians)

But what if you just hate Christians? (Just kidding. :) )

Jaydelart 09-09-2010 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 828263)
You are absolutely wrong there. No one does it like FOX News does. They do it so much there are TV shows that thrive on "untwisting" their twists, like The Daily Show and in the radio.

Please Steamboatsam, start watching other channels. Try listening to NPR for some. There may be less fireworks and less shouting, but it's actually healthier for you.

The people that think Pres. Obama is a socialist Muslim born in Africa didn't get their news from NPR.

I said I'd stop with the derailing, but I've changed my mind.

Are we saying that since there are (potentially rival) programs dedicated to contradicting one of the only major Conservative/Republican programs in America, we should assume they're more legitimate? If I'm being ignorant, I'm not doing so intentionally, and I apologize. I don't consider myself only limited to either Liberal or Conservative views, but I've honestly witnessed enough blind bashing from the left-wing in recent years to become considerably wary of the one-sided accusations implicated here.

I'll submit: FOX is probably guilty of twisting the truth. I don't deny that high possibility. It would be nice to hear someone from the opposite side admit their sources are likely guilty of lying also.

Jaydelart 09-09-2010 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PumaMan (Post 828285)
But what if you just hate Christians? (Just kidding. :) )

Then you hate me... and you're mean. But I forgive you (lol).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire
if someone said that they hate Islam or Christianity however and all of a sudden you come off as a bigot.

I agree, it's ridiculous. On the other hand, if someone said that they were religious, all of a sudden they may come off as unintelligent and/or psychotic. Which, if we were to be fair, isn't necessarily true either. I've long since concluded that it's a win-win or lose-lose situation.

Cheers to life, eh!

MMM 09-09-2010 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steamboatsam (Post 828275)
You use the Daily show, a fake news show that does comedy acts about news reports, as a reference of untwisting FOX twisted reports? And you get on me about FOX.

I'm trying to state FOX is always right, it isn't and nobody othe channel is. I'm trying to state something similar to what Jaydelart stated earlier. That a report from one source should not be disregarded because of the source's methods and bias of investigation and/or reporting and/or its background. It should be seen and then, if the person is interested in it, to be looked deeper by other sources who did a similar report and see their opinions. Do you write a research paper with just one resource? No, you use multiple resources. The same should go with news when making a decision of what part of a report is real.

I didn't say The Daily Show is a news source. I said it is a show that makes it's bread and butter on untwisting FOX News. You don't see that for other news sources.

Listen, steamboatsam, you suggested that the government wasn't enforcing the laws when the suspect was Muslim. Now that we look into that statement a little, we see that there is nothing to support it. This is the FOX News pattern. Are you seeing this now? They put an idea out there, without any proof, sources, etc. and let it gestate. Then viewers like you go out there on forums and throw it out there. It took me to say "I would like to hear more about that" for us to realize it was a baseless statement. Sadly 99% of the time that kind of dialog doesn't take place, and as a result 40% of Americans believe out church-going life-long Christian is a Muslim.

PumaMan 09-09-2010 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 828288)
Then you hate me... and you're mean. But I forgive you (lol).

I was just poking a little fun at the "and" in that sentence.

Quote:

Cheers to life, eh!
And to you.

MMM 09-09-2010 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PumaMan (Post 828278)
I hope you're right but I have this feeling that there is a lot of silent support in the US for this kind of behavior.

No one has publicly come out and supported his action, even if they do acknowledge he has the right to do it.

Unfortunately, that will not make the world news.

Ronin4hire 09-09-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 828286)
I said I'd stop with the derailing, but I've changed my mind.

Are we saying that since there are (potentially rival) programs dedicated to contradicting one of the only major Conservative/Republican programs in America, we should assume they're more legitimate? If I'm being ignorant, I'm not doing so intentionally, and I apologize. I don't consider myself only limited to either Liberal or Conservative views, but I've honestly witnessed enough blind bashing from the left-wing in recent years to become considerably wary of the one-sided accusations implicated here.

I'll submit: FOX is probably guilty of twisting the truth. I don't deny that high possibility. It would be nice to hear someone from the opposite side admit their sources are likely guilty of lying also.

I think the thing here is that you are treating this more like a hypothetical scenario. You apparently have "left wing media" on the one hand and so naturally you have "right wing media" to counter it.

In fact all youve done there is bought the FOX narrative.

The way I see it (and Im sure MMM agrees) is that on the one hand you have the media institutions which try to uphold journalistic integrity. Things such as trying to get both sides of the story, removing yourself from the story and focus on the facts and relevant opinions, even simple things like sourcing statistics when you give them etc. (How many times have you heard a FOX news presenter give some sort of statistic without saying who did the research and in what context?)

On the other hand you have FOX news which is violates these rules all the time.

Again.. if you have access to the BBC I would suggest going over to them. Of course they arent perfect but I think they have the best journalistic integrity of all the worldwide news networks.

seiki 09-09-2010 07:50 PM

I think that the only thing that this will cause is more trouble and his church being burnt down. :mtongue:

Jaydelart 09-09-2010 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 828293)
I think the thing here is that you are treating this more like a hypothetical scenario. You apparently have "left wing media" on the one hand and so naturally you have "right wing media" to counter it.

In fact all youve done there is bought the FOX narrative.

The way I see it (and Im sure MMM agrees) is that on the one hand you have the media institutions which try to uphold journalistic integrity. Things such as trying to get both sides of the story, removing yourself from the story and focus on the facts and relevant opinions, even simple things like sourcing statistics when you give them etc. (How many times have you heard a FOX news presenter give some sort of statistic without saying who did the research and in what context?)

On the other hand you have FOX news which is violates these rules all the time.

Again.. if you have access to the BBC I would suggest going over to them. Of course they arent perfect but I think they have the best journalistic integrity of all the worldwide news networks.

You have to realize this is coming down to my worldview. I prefer not to assume I know truly what I might think I know without compelling evidence of a personal standard. There's very little I claim to truly know. In this regard, I can't confidently accuse CNN, NBC, FOX, or any other news agency of deception for any given example, even if I may be more inclined to one, simply because I lack firsthand observation or am not satisfied with what is presented to me. Think of it what you will, that's how I'm going about it all.

At this point, I can only conclude that the influence of subjective judgement is largely relevant. That is, someone's not detaching themselves from bias. The rest is - you touched on it - playing with logic. lol


I think I've seen a few bits from BBC. They weren't bad, if I remember correctly. Though, that may be because I haven't seen much.

PumaMan 09-09-2010 08:09 PM

Well, he may be a single crackpot but he's got the world's attention, it seems. On CNN there is a list of world reactions to this proposed burning. Here are some mentioned:

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United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday he is "deeply disturbed" by reports about the plan. "Such actions cannot be condoned by any religion," he said. "They contradict the efforts of the United Nations, and many people around the world, to promote tolerance, intercultural understanding and mutual respect between cultures and religions. ... I sincerely hope that they will not take such unacceptable actions."

– A spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan tells CNN: "If in Florida they were to burn the Quran, we will target any Christians, even if they are innocent, because the Quran is our holy book and we do not want someone to burnour holy book."

– A senior Iranian Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Lotfollah Safi Golpayegani, condemned the plan to burn the Quran and calling for the arrest of Jones, head of the Dove World Outreach Center, according to Iran's semi-official Fars news agency. Should such an "inhumane incident take place in America, the U.S. government and President [Barack] Obama will be held responsible," he said, according to the report.

Interpol, the international police organization, warned of "tragic consequences" that "may well claim the lives of many innocent people" if the burning goes ahead. Secretary General Ronald Noble said September 11 should be a day to fight terrorism, not a day to "engage in provocative acts that will give terrorists propaganda" to recruit others to their cause.

- British Foreign Secretary William Hague said he hoped Jones would refrain from carrying out the burning, and he pointed out Muslims are about to celebrate Eid, the end of their holy month of Ramadan. "To seek to mar it in this calculated way would be selfish and provocative in the extreme," Hague said.

Sajjad Karim, a Muslim and British member of the European Parliament, told the chamber Thursday that the Quran burning "is the act of one man and his followers alone. His actions should not be identified with the West or Christianity. Muslims globally must know that, through this Quran burning, this man will achieve nothing. He has been isolated in his country and his religion. It is only through a reaction that any perverse sense of achievement can be earned."

U.S. Sen. John McCain, a Republican from Arizona, urged Jones against the burning in a posting on his Twitter page Thursday. "Pastor Jones' threats to burn the Quran will put American service men/women in danger – for their sake please don't do it!"

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Paris Grand Mosque and France's most important spokesman for the Muslim community, urged Muslims to respond "wisely" to the burning and "not to fall into the trap of provocation."

Bernard Valero, spokesman for France's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said, "This incitement to hatred is unacceptable and can only reinforce all forms of extremism. It is also an insult to the memory of the victims of September 11 and also to all the other victims of terrorist acts motivated by intolerance and the abuse of religion."

The U.S. Embassy in London said Washington is "deeply concerned about all deliberate attempts to offend members of any religious or ethnic group" and condemned such acts as "unrepresentative of American values." While the embassy said it believes firmly in freedom of religion and freedom of expression, "we reaffirm our position that the deliberate destruction of any holy book is an abhorrent act."

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki says the burning could be used by extremists to carry out more violence. He spoke after meeting with the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. Lloyd Austin, and U.S. Ambassador James Jeffrey. "If it does take place, it will inflict the most severe damage to inter-faith relations and human and cultural dialogue and will be used as a pretext by extremists for more killings and retaliatory killing," al-Maliki said.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has expressed grave concern over the threats to burn copies of the Quran. According to spokesman Farhatullah Babar, Zardari said anyone who even thought of such a despicable act must be suffering from a diseased mind and a sickly soul. He said it will inflame sentiments among Muslims throughout the world and cause irreparable damage to interfaith harmony and world peace. Zardari called for doing all it takes to stop such a "senseless and outrageous act."

Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik called on Interpol, the international police organization, to stop the church from carrying out the burning, which he called a "crime against humanity." Malik said the burning would be an international crime because it will affect "international peace and harmony."

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono wrote a letter to President Barack Obama urging him to stop the Quran burning, which he called a "hideous act." A presidential spokesman said Indonesia is concerned the burning will incite hardline Muslims in Indonesia and around the world.

– A hardline Indonesian Muslim group, the Islamic Defenders Front, told CNN it will protest the planned burning and will issue a death sentence on Rev. Terry Jones if he carries out his plan. "This is not a problem between Muslims and Christians but rather between Terry Jones and mankind," said Sabri Lubis, a secretary general with the group.

– The Vatican implored the church Wednesday not to burn the Quran, saying it would be an "outrageous and grave gesture."

The president of the United Nations General Assembly, Ali Abdussalam Treki, also expressed concern Wednesday, saying the burning will "lead to uncontrollable reactions" and spark tension worldwide.

– The top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, warned earlier this week that the plan "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Muslim civil liberties and advocacy group, plans to hold a news conference in Washington on Thursday to address the issue. The group's "Learn, Don't Burn" initiative includes the distribution of of 200,000 Qurans and other activities planned for Friday and Saturday, the planned date of the burning.

– New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has defended the right of the church's pastor, Terry Jones, to go ahead with the plan, even though he condemns the idea as "distasteful." Bloomberg said this week, "The First Amendment protects everybody, and you can't say that we are going to apply the First Amendment to only those cases where we are in agreement," Bloomberg said, citing the section of the Constitution that promises freedom of speech.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which is dedicated to protecting U.S. troops from religious intolerance, has promised to buy one new Quran and donate it to the Afghan National Army for each one burned in Florida.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the Quran burning would be a "disrespectful, disgraceful act."

Former Republican vice presidential candidate and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin urged Jones on Wednesday to halt his plans, saying the burning "will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don't feed that fire."

– The U.S. Embassy in Pakistan condemned it as "disrespectful, intolerant and divisive," in a statement on Wednesday. "We are deeply concerned about all deliberate attempts to offend members of any religious or ethnic group," said Stephen Engelken, the second-ranking diplomat at the embassy.

– The U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Tuesday issued a statement saying the U.S. government "in no way condones such acts of disrespect against the religion of Islam, and is deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups." It said it condemned the "offensive initiative" by the Florida church.

The U.S. ambassador to Iraq, James Jeffrey, issued a joint statement with Lloyd Austin, the commanding general of U.S. forces in Iraq, to condemn the act.

Lebanese President Michel Suleiman denounced the Quran burning as "contrary to the teachings of tolerant divine religions and totally incompatible with the logic of dialogue among civilizations, religions and cultures." He noted that a United Nations conference on religious tolerance two years ago called on people "to renounce hatred and intolerance and terrorism," and "to reflect on the Christian teachings and concepts of humanity that emphasizes the love and respect for the other."

Muhammad Ismail, a spokesman for the hardline Indonesian Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir, said earlier this week, "The burning is not only an insult to the holy Quran, but an insult to Islam and Muslims around the world."

x2cool 09-09-2010 08:19 PM

Hmmmmm.... I wonder If this guy really goes through with this, and if the Taliban and others attack innocent people in retribution, will it just increase the hate that some people have for Muslim people, or if people will think "Hey those Americans deserve it." And isn't it sad that the only consequence of his actions will be a fine? For not getting a permit for a bonfire?

steamboatsam 09-09-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by x2cool (Post 828301)
Hmmmmm.... I wonder If this guy really goes through with this, and if the Taliban and others attack innocent people in retribution, will it just increase the hate that some people have for Muslim people, or if people will think "Hey those Americans deserve it." And isn't it sad that the only consequence of his actions will be a fine? For not getting a permit for a bonfire?

He probably will continue on with it, even though there has been so much negative reaction around the world, because if he probably believes that he will look weak and cause more problems if he doesn't do it now.

Ronin4hire 09-09-2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 828299)
You have to realize this is coming down to my worldview. I prefer not to assume I know truly what I might think I know without compelling evidence of a personal standard. There's very little I claim to truly know. In this regard, I can't confidently accuse CNN, NBC, FOX, or any other news agency of deception for any given example, even if I may be more inclined to one, simply because I lack firsthand observation or am not satisfied with what is presented to me. Think of it what you will, that's how I'm going about it all.

At this point, I can only conclude that the influence of subjective judgement is largely relevant. That is, someone's not detaching themselves from bias. The rest is - you touched on it - playing with logic. lol


I think I've seen a few bits from BBC. They weren't bad, if I remember correctly. Though, that may be because I haven't seen much.

Actually I think we share worldviews in that I also believe that there is very little that we can claim we truly know.

However I think probabilities of truthfulness can be deduced and to live a life in which we trust nobody and nothing would be very bleak.

In that way I think that while I can never know what the media is telling me is true... I can look at the way in which they are telling me.

The way in which FOX reports violates the journalistic integrity I mentioned earlier is the main reason I am against them.

Im not saying CNN etc are perfect. But I have no reason to believe that they are wilfully misleading us the way that it can be said FOX are.

dogsbody70 09-09-2010 09:08 PM

well this chap sure is an attention seeker----------------- pity it was allowed on the Media really.

to blame all muslims for 9/11 is terrible.

So often it is the Media who cause so much trouble in the world.

bearclaw 09-09-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 828125)
Tsk. 9/11 for Muslims is non-equivalent to Christmas for Christians. Muslims as a general group are hardly related to the terrorist attacks that were committed. In addition, Christians as a general group don't necessarily align with this guy's methods. I'm Christian, I definitely don't agree with this guy's methods.

You were probably just speaking loosely, which I can understand... But, as it is, burning a Quran is horrible. To also mention burning a Bible... kind of falls within the same mindset as this guy. Retribution. He's in his own little world, at the moment, I personally would prefer not to drag average people into his equation.



Why don't we all just burn some firewood??
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Well actually he kinda has a point... 11'th September (this year) is the 3'rd (and last) day of eid, it's a religious day that celebrates the end of ramadan it'd be equivalent to 2'nd christmas day.
That said I am sure the pastor didn't thought of that timing though and it's probably also one of the reason why most world leaders respond so early and clearly on it.

MMM 09-09-2010 09:39 PM

BREAKING NEWS

He is not going to burn the Quran. He is going to go to New York to talk with the NY Mosque Iman.

Jaydelart 09-09-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bearclaw (Post 828317)
Well actually he kinda has a point... 11'th September (this year) is the 3'rd (and last) day of eid, it's a religious day that celebrates the end of ramadan it'd be equivalent to 2'nd christmas day.
That said I am sure the pastor didn't thought of that timing though and it's probably also one of the reason why most world leaders respond so early and clearly on it.

I'm sorry. I guess that puts the Tsk. on me.
You learn something new everyday. Thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70
So often it is the Media who cause so much trouble in the world.

I'd agree with that statement.

Jaydelart 09-09-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 828318)
BREAKING NEWS

He is not going to burn the Quran. He is going to go to New York to talk with the NY Mosque Iman.

Nice. I seriously doubted he'd back down.
What was his basic reasoning? [Edit: Nvm, I read an article]

I pressume it wasn't due to a few goverment gentlemen and their guns?

x2cool 09-09-2010 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 828318)
BREAKING NEWS

He is not going to burn the Quran. He is going to go to New York to talk with the NY Mosque Iman.

So now he's going to talk with Imam Rauf? I wonder if two really religious people can discuss something without letting their religion get in the way. And what will they talk about? Moving the mosque?

MMM 09-09-2010 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 828322)
Nice. I seriously doubted he'd back down.
What was his basic reasoning?

I pressume it wasn't due to a few goverment gentlemen and their guns?

Supposedly he believes the Islamic Center near Ground Zero will be moved.

Personally, I never thought he would go through wit it, he is just looking for the attention.

Jaydelart 09-09-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 828324)
Supposedly he believes the Islamic Center near Ground Zero will be moved.

Personally, I never thought he would go through wit it, he is just looking for the attention.

Everyone's said it, but now that it seems like it's over with... it really feels like the media got played moreso than they tried to play him.

bearclaw 09-09-2010 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kujiratyan (Post 828229)
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/...t-press-award/

What is the difference between Terry Jones and Kurt Westergaard?
One is criticized in the U.S. and Europe,the other is praised in Europe.Both of them are disgusting for Muslim.
Terry Jones should draw cartoons in which they attack Muslim and burn the Quran?

Technically not much except for the reasoning behind the provocation :cool:

x2cool 09-09-2010 10:34 PM

I just heard that Donald Trump offered to buy the site where the mosque is supposed to be built plus adding 25% to it. HE says he wants the mosque to be built 5 blocks away from ground zero, rather than two. Can this be a possible solution To all this?

MMM 09-09-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by x2cool (Post 828342)
I just heard that Donald Trump offered to buy the site where the mosque is supposed to be built plus adding 25% to it. HE says he wants the mosque to be built 5 blocks away from ground zero, rather than two. Can this be a possible solution To all this?

As long as Muslims don't consider it a defeat.


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