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Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 837668)
I never said that ''A weaboo is''. I stated what a weaboo is IN MY OPINION. I'm not trying to define anything.. at all.

Don't put words in my mouth like that. Seems to me like you're trying to be a know-it-all here. It's rather strange..

I didn't say you were trying to define anything. I just said you've proved my point.

Why are you getting so hostile towards me?

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Koir (Post 837669)
It's his routine. Successful troll is successful and all that.

Haha.. you're the troll.

I suspect that something I said hit a nerve.

It's funny because I wasn't even trying to be offensive to anyone.

NanteNa 11-15-2010 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837671)
I didn't say you were trying to define anything. I just said you've proved my point.

Why are you getting so hostile towards me?

You pretty much made it seem like I was trying to define the word weaboo. And I was not. I posted my opinion on the term - that's all.

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 837673)
You pretty much made it seem like I was trying to define the word weaboo. And I was not. I posted my opinion on the term - that's all.

It wasn't my intention to make it seem that way so sorry about the misunderstanding.

iPhantom 11-15-2010 12:40 AM

A weeaboo is someone who is obsessed with Japanese stuff. It's as simple as that. I have no idea why are you arguing about word definitions here...

NanteNa 11-15-2010 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837674)
It wasn't my intention to make it seem that way so sorry about the misunderstanding.

Apology accepted ^^v

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 12:44 AM

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A weeaboo is someone who is obsessed with Japanese stuff. It's as simple as that. I have no idea why are you arguing about word definitions here...
I'm not arguing definitions. I'm saying that it's a slur and can't be defined objectively.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837588)
But you can't even give me those characteristics beyond "someone who thinks Japan is utopia and is obsessed with Japan" etc. Which is just an opinion rather than a description of someone or something.

But what makes this different is that it's a collective opinion. This collective opinion turns into a general consensus. This general consensus turns into a description.

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837588)
And even if you did give me one. That would just be your personal opinion. I've already told you what I think a "Weabo" would be. I can't understand why someone would listen to music when they can't understand the lyrics.. to me those people would be "Weabos" if I was going to be contemptuous towards them.

I'll tell you a really short story. My first year of college I met this guy who was OBSESSED with Japan. He'd never been to the country. He told me, "I've given up on America, I want to live my life in Japan."
This, my friend, is being a weaboo.

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837588)
I would agree with you if there was an accepted description. But there just isn't. As I said before.. trying to define the word Weabo is like trying to define the word nigger.

Like I said, this is moot. If everything is taken as relative then we wouldn't be able to give a description to anything. This isn't thinking in practical terms.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837680)
I'm not arguing definitions. I'm saying that it's a slur and can't be defined objectively.

I beg to differ lol


Urban Dictionary: wapanese
Urban Dictionary: weeaboo

iPhantom 11-15-2010 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837683)

Urban Dictionary is written by /b/tards. I've written so much crap there. Unreliable 99% of the time.

Enyclopedia Brittanica says:

"weeaboo (noun): a non-Japanese person exhibiting an obsessive admiration for Japanese anime that often extends to the broader Japanese culture"

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837682)
But what makes this different is that it's a collective opinion. This collective opinion turns into a general consensus. This general consensus turns into a description.

Is it a consensus? I've already given an example of the types of people that some of my classmates call "Weabos" earlier in the thread. I personally don't think this way... though I similarly don't understand such people I don't look down on them. The thing is that the majority of people on here would be classed as Weabos to them.

It is likely that what you think is a general consensus is just a consensus amongst your social group.. the people you get.

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837682)
I'll tell you a really short story. My first year of college I met this guy who was OBSESSED with Japan. He'd never been to the country. He told me, "I've given up on America, I want to live my life in Japan."
This, my friend, is being a weaboo.

So you say.. see above.

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837682)
Like I said, this is moot. If everything is taken as relative then we wouldn't be able to give a description to anything. This isn't thinking in practical terms.

I'm not saying that everything is taken as relative. I'm saying that some things can be defined objectively. Weabo is not something that is.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 837684)
Urban Dictionary is written by /b/tards. I've written so much crap there. Unreliable 99% of the time.

You're a /b/tard if you take those definitions as being serious or as credible definitions.

iPhantom 11-15-2010 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837687)
You're a /b/tard if you take those definitions as being serious or as credible definitions.

Hence I said 'written'. I've given up on having a troll life.

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 837684)
Urban Dictionary is written by /b/tards. I've written so much crap there. Unreliable 99% of the time.

Enyclopedia Brittanica says:

"weeaboo (noun): a non-Japanese person exhibiting an obsessive admiration for Japanese anime that often extends to the broader Japanese culture"

Two things...

I said defined OBJECTIVELY. You do realise that ALL words have definitions. Some are relative and some are not but most can be found in the dictionary.

Second of all.. linking urban dictionary is pretty lame. It's hardly a dictionary.

Let's copy and paste the FULL definition it gives.

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Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese, even though they're far from it. They use Japanese words but usually end up pronouncing them wrong and sounding like total assholes. You can find alot of these faggots clogging up the forums of Gaia Online, hanging out in the international aisle of the supermarket, or crowding the manga section of your local bookstore. Synonym of wapanese.

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837687)
You're a /b/tard if you take those definitions as being serious or as credible definitions.

Why are you using it as a source to prove your point then?

JasonTakeshi 11-15-2010 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 837676)
A weeaboo is someone who is obsessed with Japanese stuff. It's as simple as that. I have no idea why are you arguing about word definitions here...

Damn it's you. All aboard the fail boat.

OD: Ronin you're hilarious. Keep going dude you're over 9000.

iPhantom 11-15-2010 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837689)
Two things...

I said defined OBJECTIVELY. You do realise that ALL words have definitions. Some are relative and some are not but most can be found in the dictionary.

Second of all.. linking urban dictionary is pretty lame. It's hardly a dictionary.

Let's copy and paste the FULL definition it gives.

Uh, what, I used Encyclopedia Brittanica, not UD.

And no, the real point is people use the word 'Weeaboo' in wrong situations, such as your friends. That happens for so many other words. Like 'emo' for e.g. we call emos everyone who puts a lot of black eyeliner nowadays because we love to mock people. It's just bad usage, not objective meaning.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837686)
It is likely that what you think is a general consensus is just a consensus amongst your social group.. the people you get.

Or everyone here who as already given the general definition that it's someone who is hyper obsessed with Japan.


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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837686)
So you say.. see above.

I've already told this story on this forum before, so I'm not pulling it out of my ass for the sake of validity of this particular debate. Take it for what you will, but that's my staunch affirmation that there are such things as weaboos.

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837686)
I'm not saying that everything is taken as relative. I'm saying that some things can be defined objectively. Weabo is not something that is.

I mean I've met people that are a little bit too over enthusiastic about Japan for my liking also.

But to someone who has no interest in Japan at all and that has contempt for people who are interested in Japan... then WE are the Weabos to them.

It's relative.


Well that's what you said before, so forgive me for the assumption.

iPhantom 11-15-2010 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi (Post 837691)
Damn it's you. All aboard the fail boat.

Let's make love.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837690)
Why are you using it as a source to prove your point then?

Because it was a joke.

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 837692)
Uh, what, I used Encyclopedia Brittanica, not UD.

And no, the real point is people use the word 'Weeaboo' in wrong situations, such as your friends. That happens for so many other words. Like 'emo' for e.g. we call emos everyone who puts a lot of black eyeliner nowadays because we love to mock people. It's just bad usage, not objective meaning.

I'm just going to copy and paste my first point.

I said defined OBJECTIVELY. You do realise that ALL words have definitions. Some are relative and some are not but most can be found in the dictionary.

When I say dictionary I meant as in a normal one... like the Britannica.

Furthermore.. big deal.. to my friends you are wrong... so who is right? The dictionary can't prove either of us to be right which means it is a RELATIVE definition.

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837693)
Or everyone here who as already given the general definition that it's someone who is hyper obsessed with Japan.

That is the definition.. but it's relative. To some of my friends those that listen to Japanese music but don't understand the language are "hyper obsessed" and are Weabos. Therefore Weabo is a slur.



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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837693)
I've already told this story on this forum before, so I'm not pulling it out of my ass for the sake of validity of this particular debate. Take it for what you will, but that's my staunch affirmation that there are such things as weaboos.

I'm not saying I don't believe you.. I'm just saying that it's irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837693)
I mean I've met people that are a little bit too over enthusiastic about Japan for my liking also.

But to someone who has no interest in Japan at all and that has contempt for people who are interested in Japan... then WE are the Weabos to them.

It's relative.


Well that's what you said before, so forgive me for the assumption.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to illustrate here. All it shows is that I've been consistent throughout the whole thread.

iPhantom 11-15-2010 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837696)
I'm just going to copy and paste my first point.

I said defined OBJECTIVELY. You do realise that ALL words have definitions. Some are relative and some are not but most can be found in the dictionary.

When I say dictionary I meant as in a normal one... like the Britannica.

Furthermore.. big deal.. to my friends you are wrong... so who is right? The dictionary can't prove either of us to be right which means it is a RELATIVE definition.

Dude, do you need the definition of 'objectively'? Because you can't take that word one way or the other, it's just one way. The other way is you're retarded.

And no, dictionary shows that your friends are wrong, because they are going away from the original definition (by consensus) this word had/has. The word was created for what the dictionary says for, you're just misusing it.

inb4 define the word 'define'

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 01:19 AM

Or inb4 objective vs subjective lol

JasonTakeshi 11-15-2010 01:19 AM

Damn I remenber back in the days asking people randomly to define words.
Gave me a hell of enjoynement.

PersonA: "This is a candle."
PersonB: "Define candle."
PersonA: "A candle is a solid block of fuel (commonly wax) and an embedded wick, which is lit to provide light, and sometimes heat."
PersonB: "Define heat."
PersonA: "In physics and thermodynamics, heat is energy transferred from one body or thermodynamic system to another due to thermal contact when the systems are at different temperatures. It is also often described as the process of transfer of energy between physical entities. In this description, it is an energy transfer to the body in any other way than due to work performed on the body."
PersonB: "Define system."
PersonA: "Dude what's your point?!"
PersonB: "Define point."
PersonA: "Fu** you dude..."
PersonB: "Define-"

*PersonA punches personB in the face*

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 837698)
inb4 define the word 'define'

Edit: Asked you that months ago.

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 837698)
Dude, do you need the definition of 'objectively'? Because you can't take that word one way or the other, it's just one way. The other way is you're retarded.

And no, dictionary shows that your friends are wrong, because they are going away from the original definition (by consensus) this word had/has. The word was created for what the dictionary says for, you're just misusing it.

inb4 define the word 'define'

Haha.. wow.. all aboard the fail boat alright.

objective - definition of objective by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

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1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
3.
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
What part of the following (which is your quote from Encyclopedia Britanica) is objective?

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"weeaboo (noun): a non-Japanese person exhibiting an obsessive admiration for Japanese anime that often extends to the broader Japanese culture"
I've already shown via my examples that the definition is subjective.

NanteNa 11-15-2010 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi (Post 837700)
Damn I remenber back in the days asking people randomly to define words.
Gave me a hell of enjoynement.

PersonA: "This is a candle."
PersonB: "Define candle."
PersonA: "A candle is a solid block of fuel (commonly wax) and an embedded wick, which is lit to provide light, and sometimes heat."
PersonB: "Define heat."
PersonA: "In physics and thermodynamics, heat is energy transferred from one body or thermodynamic system to another due to thermal contact when the systems are at different temperatures. It is also often described as the process of transfer of energy between physical entities. In this description, it is an energy transfer to the body in any other way than due to work performed on the body."
PersonB: "Define system."
PersonA: "Dude what's your point?!"
PersonB: "Define point."
PersonA: "Fu** you dude..."
PersonB: "Define-"

*PersonA punches personB in the face*


*gives cookie*
Now please make them stop this madness ó___Ò''

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 01:27 AM

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1. Of or having to do with a material object.
Well, a weeaboo is a person...

2. Having actual existence or reality.
Well I guess people exist...

b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
Based on observable phenomena...OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

LOLZ

iPhantom 11-15-2010 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837701)
Haha.. wow.. all aboard the fail boat alright.

objective - definition of objective by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



What part of the following (which is your quote from Encyclopedia Britanica) is objective?



I've already shown via my examples that the definition is subjective.

Wait what? What did you prove here? o.O Those definitions about 'objective' have no meaning the way you're using it. You're taking a word objectively which makes no sense... how can't you tell it's just misusage?

And please, stop answering questions with other questions, thus avoiding answering my question in the first place.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 837702)
*gives cookie*
Now please make them stop this madness ó___Ò''

Aww, we're having fun!

JasonTakeshi 11-15-2010 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 837702)
*gives cookie*
Now please make them stop this madness ó___Ò''

Why? It's being so interesting.

inb4 define interesting.

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837703)
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
Well, a weeaboo is a person...

2. Having actual existence or reality.
Well I guess people exist...

b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
Based on observable phenomena...OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

LOLZ

Wow.. you really fail.

What phenomena that is observable makes someone a weabo? (The people that listen to Japanese music but can't understand the words?)

Is it the observable phenomena my friends describe?

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 837704)
Wait what? What did you prove here? o.O Those definitions about 'objective' have no meaning the way you're using it. You're taking a word objectively which makes no sense... how can't you tell it's just misusage?

And please, stop answering questions with other questions, thus avoiding answering my question in the first place.

Really.. I can't believe I have to explain this.

I'm showing you the definition of objective that I'm using (which just so happens to be a dictionary definition) when I say that Weabo has no objective definition and therefore is nothing more than a slur.

JasonTakeshi 11-15-2010 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837703)
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
Well, a weeaboo is a person...

2. Having actual existence or reality.
Well I guess people exist...
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
Based on observable phenomena...OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

LOLZ

Define existence.


CWUTIDIDTHER?!

iPhantom 11-15-2010 01:34 AM

A zebra is a cow because I objectively judge so.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 01:34 AM

Wow.. you really fail.
By now I hope you've realized that your retardedness has totally turned me off from even trying to stimulate an actual debate. I guess you could call that a "win," be deep down we all know better.

What phenomena that is observable makes someone a weabo?
Wearing a Hello Kitty sick mask in bumfvck Ohio.

iPhantom 11-15-2010 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 837708)
Really.. I can't believe I have to explain this.

I'm showing you the definition of objective that I'm using (which just so happens to be a dictionary definition) when I say that Weabo has no objective definition.

Wait a second, I though you said Weeaboo had objective definition, such as what your friends were doing. Short memory here?

And no it doesn't have that. Your friends just have no real idea what weeaboo means and use it for their own amuse to have good laughs on those poor fellas.

WingsToDiscovery 11-15-2010 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi (Post 837709)
Define existence.


CWUTIDIDTHER?!

*head explodes

GoNative 11-15-2010 01:37 AM

No point letting ronin derail the thread. I think everyone on here besides ronin basically agrees on what is meant by a weaboo. Just ignore him ;)

Ronin4hire 11-15-2010 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 837711)
Wow.. you really fail.
By now I hope you've realized that your retardedness has totally turned me off from even trying to stimulate an actual debate. I guess you could call that a "win," be deep down we all know better.

What phenomena that is observable makes someone a weabo?
Wearing a Hello Kitty sick mask in bumfvck Ohio.

So a weabo is a person who wears a hello kitty mask in bumf*ck Ohio?

Yeah you're REAL smart. :cool:


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