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Sitron 11-16-2010 08:22 PM

Would you fight for Japan?
 
If Japan was ever to get involved in a war. Would you enlist in their army and fight for the nation that gave us anime and manga? I certainly would. Especially if its against hostile China. I've even thought about enlisting in the Japanese army even though I'm Norwegian. But sorrily it's not possible.

LycanOtaku 11-16-2010 08:27 PM

No... but then I have never been interested in joining any type of Armed Forces, for any reason.

Going to war to protect Manga and Anime would surely be one of the weakest reasons to join any military force... IMHO

Jaydelart 11-16-2010 08:53 PM

Fight to defend Japan? Sure, given it's for a cause I believe in.
Enlist in their army? No.

... I'm sorry, the fact that you brought up Anime and Manga in a discussion based around fighting in a war, seems pretty ridiculous to me. I feel to a certain extent that you don't know what you're talking about. War isn't a joke. But, for the sake of the discussion... why would you be willing to enlist in Japan's army... especially to fight China?

evanny 11-16-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 837994)
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... why would you be willing to enlist in Japan's army... especially to fight China?

totally. specially when there aren't bullets enough in the world for all of them.

this topic cracks me up since recently while drinking we had a discussion with friends what would happen if 1.3 billion of Chinese decided to invade my country with population of 2 million. 1:650. 20 magazines of bullets on average - taking you hit all of them - for each person. they could probably invade us with dinner forks :cool:

Sitron 11-16-2010 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 837994)
Fight to defend Japan? Sure, given it's for a cause I believe in.
Enlist in their army? No.

... I'm sorry, the fact that you brought up Anime and Manga in a discussion based around fighting in a war, seems pretty ridiculous to me. I feel to a certain extent that you don't know what you're talking about. War isn't a joke. But, for the sake of the discussion... why would you be willing to enlist in Japan's army... especially to fight China?

Because I love Japan and I would defend it to death if I had to. It's a precious culture and nation which deserves to live forever.

siokan 11-16-2010 09:16 PM

otaku missile

KuranUSA 11-16-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by evanny (Post 837996)
totally. specially when there aren't bullets enough in the world for all of them.

this topic cracks me up since recently while drinking we had a discussion with friends what would happen if 1.3 billion of Chinese decided to invade my country with population of 2 million. 1:650. 20 magazines of bullets on average - taking you hit all of them - for each person. they could probably invade us with dinner forks :cool:

But you didn't know? That's what most of China's army is equipped with these days! It's hard to fund all the weapons for such a large country.

TalnSG 11-16-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 837994)
Fight to defend Japan? Sure, given it's for a cause I believe in.
Enlist in their army? No.

... I'm sorry, the fact that you brought up Anime and Manga in a discussion based around fighting in a war, seems pretty ridiculous to me. I feel to a certain extent that you don't know what you're talking about. War isn't a joke. But, for the sake of the discussion... why would you be willing to enlist in Japan's army... especially to fight China?

I have to agree, why turn a such serious topic into joke by citing such comparatively insignificant cultural icons of Japan? And why, specifically, against China? I have no love-loss for the PRC, but there are far more realistic threats to Japan than Beijing.

File0 11-16-2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitron (Post 837990)
If Japan was ever to get involved in a war. Would you enlist in their army and fight for the nation that gave us anime and manga? I certainly would. Especially if its against hostile China. I've even thought about enlisting in the Japanese army even though I'm Norwegian. But sorrily it's not possible.

I don't see either why and from what would you want to protect Japan. It's almost as if you don't know anything of their culture.
Japan isn't the one needs protection -- they basically have traditions based on fight/war (please correct me if I'm wrong) and more over: to offer something like this seems like kind of offensive, even from an outsider's view.

dogsbody70 11-16-2010 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitron (Post 837998)
Because I love Japan and I would defend it to death if I had to. It's a precious culture and nation which deserves to live forever.

Have you read any history of the japanese at war? I think you should. It sure would not be over anime and manga


There are troubles just now about the senkaku? islands who owns which?

stay out of war-- its nasty and often a needless loss of so many.

dogsbody70 11-16-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitron (Post 837998)
Because I love Japan and I would defend it to death if I had to. It's a precious culture and nation which deserves to live forever.

If you really wanted to fight you should fight for your own country surely.

Jaydelart 11-16-2010 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitron (Post 837998)
Because I love Japan and I would defend it to death if I had to. It's a precious culture and nation which deserves to live forever.

You may first want to learn to appreciate the culture and nation beyond the Anime and Manga. Achieve this thoroughly and you might subsequently be enlightened enough to realize that war against any nation shouldn't be something spoken of lightly.

Hypothetically, if you were to go to war with China, you would potentially be put in the position to take a human life. This hypothetical person that you are about to kill is fighting for his or her nation. He or she may not agree with their government or military, despite their loyalty thereof. Nevertheless, they would be obligated to act as ordered. They would have family; children. In another lifetime, regardless of nationality or ethnicity, they could have been your friend. And you would have killed him or her, because you wanted to be a part of the nation... that brought you Anime and Manga...

That may not have been what you intended to express in your initial statement, but that's how it came across to me. It's not that Japan isn't worth protecting. But to involve yourself in someone else's war essentially for the sake of cultural enthusiasm seems like a ridiculous thing to suggest.

You still didn't explain why you would be particularly willing to fight against China.

GoNative 11-17-2010 12:09 AM

Pretty much like in any country you would not be able to join the armed forces unless you're a citizen so it's not like this scenario is even plausible anyway. And during a time of war I doubt they'd be too keen on idiot foreigners turning up wanting to play soldier.

Aniki 11-17-2010 12:28 AM

To people who don't know what a weaboo is, please read the first post again. THAT'S A WEABOO.

steven 11-17-2010 12:29 AM

This whole thread is a joke right?

Nyororin 11-17-2010 12:35 AM

I would fight to defend my home and family.
My home and family just happens to be in Japan, so I guess the answer would be yes.
I would not fight in an offensive war, no matter the reason.

If you have to fight for something, fight to protect what matters most to you in the world.
Surely there is something more important - like home and family - than anime, manga, and the culture of a country you do not even live in.

NanteNa 11-17-2010 12:44 AM

Hell to the no. If it's not my battle - then I'm not going to fight it.

KyokoUK 11-17-2010 03:11 AM

I think that if an American joins the armed forces of another country, they lose their citizenship. Someone tell me if I'm right. I read it in a book years ago so it may have changed. Also, yes...this is a weaboo...fighting to protect anime and manga? damnit you silly sod, 30,000 children die every day from hunger. Think about that for a while.

Being an English girl who is genetically Japanese, I would not enlist in Japan's army. Its another country, come on. Now if the UK joined in then depending on the cause of the war and what was at stake, I would decide then about my actions toward joining the Royal Navy.

WingsToDiscovery 11-17-2010 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KyokoUK (Post 838045)
I think that if an American joins the armed forces of another country, they lose their citizenship. Someone tell me if I'm right. I read it in a book years ago so it may have changed. Also, yes...this is a weaboo...fighting to protect anime and manga?

I think it generally stands for any country that to enlist in their military then one must have that nation's citizenship. So it's not so much about losing American citizenship as it is gaining Japanese citizenship, if that makes sense. Same principle, different angle.

Ronin4hire 11-17-2010 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 838049)
I think it generally stands for any country that to enlist in their military then one must have that nation's citizenship. So it's not so much about losing American citizenship as it is gaining Japanese citizenship, if that makes sense. Same principle, different angle.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

But as a British citizen Kyoko just needs to gain Japanese citizenship which she could very possibly do since she is "genetically" Japanese (There is no such thing as being genetically Japanese but yeah.. I understand she means having Japanese ancestry).

She can also fight in the Japanese military without renouncing her British citizenship. It is not unheard of to hear of British nationals who fight for Canada, Australia and New Zealand and vice versa as they are also citizens of Canada Australia and New Zealand too. (That could of course just extend to countries that used to be in the Empire though.)

In the end it just depends on the laws of your country.

GoNative 11-17-2010 04:32 AM

During the Bosnian War many Australian citizens whose family had emmigrated from that region went back to fight in the conflict. Many were later accused of being involved in some of the atrocities and war crimes that occurred during that conflict.

KyokoUK 11-17-2010 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 838053)
Perhaps I'm mistaken.

But as a British citizen Kyoko just needs to gain Japanese citizenship which she could very possibly do since she is "genetically" Japanese (There is no such thing as being genetically Japanese but yeah.. I understand she means having Japanese ancestry).

She can also fight in the Japanese military without renouncing her British citizenship. It is not unheard of to hear of British nationals who fight for Canada, Australia and New Zealand and vice versa as they are also citizens of Canada Australia and New Zealand too. (That could of course just extend to countries that used to be in the Empire though.)

In the end it just depends on the laws of your country.

Yeah, those nations you named are part of the United Kingdom Commonwealth. We ended the empire but mostly all them united into the UK Commonwealth, we have something like 57 members. And we have just been having the Commonwealth Games which are sort of like an UKC only olympics. So now I guess the sun never sets on the British Commonwealth :D

Ronin4hire 11-17-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KyokoUK (Post 838075)
Yeah, those nations you named are part of the United Kingdom Commonwealth. We ended the empire but mostly all them united into the UK Commonwealth, we have something like 57 members. And we have just been having the Commonwealth Games which are sort of like an UKC only olympics. So now I guess the sun never sets on the British Commonwealth :D

You're right....

However it is no longer officially called the British Commonwealth but the "Commonwealth of Nations".

I'm sure Brit's still like to call it the "British Commonwealth" though :mtongue:

I'd be surprised if the Commonwealth lasted another century to be honest.

What with Britain being swallowed up by the EU on the one hand and countries slowly leaving/being kicked out (Zimbabwe, Fiji) on the other.

RickOShay 11-17-2010 09:16 AM

And this same OP brought us this thread.. lol.
http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...-weirdoes.html

dirtyroboto 11-17-2010 10:25 AM

Thanks RickOShay.
I is gonna take the bait anyways up!

I live in Japan, my wife is Japanese. I am English (the UK/England designation).
I will fight for Japan, as they are now my blood. I know Japan is hardcore when it comes to fighting. Their history is as bloody as my England roots.
Many countries have lost in a battle against Japan. Why? Because Japan can fight beyond death, just like the way England did.
The only issue is the way that USA cut off the balls of Japan in such a brutal way.
If America had not castrated Japan, then they would have at least had a partner with balls to stand against the Asian contenders.

noodle 11-17-2010 11:42 AM

This thread is stupid with stupid posts! So here's mine; I'd join the Chinese Army over the Japanese!:cool:

Ronin4hire 11-17-2010 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 838117)
This thread is stupid with stupid posts! So here's mine; I'd join the Chinese Army over the Japanese!:cool:

Why would you do that?

CoolNard 11-17-2010 12:40 PM

I'd be very indignant. And I'd stage something for it. But IMO, to physically engage in combat would be like throwing money onto the streets; heck I wouldn't even do that for my own country. -.- Because me believes in peaceful resolutions.

protheus 11-17-2010 12:46 PM

Against some aliens trying to invade us, yes, but against other humans, heck no.

SqueakyRat 11-17-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by protheus (Post 838128)
Against some aliens trying to invade us, yes, but against other humans, heck no.

You're implying that Aliens have no feelings at all and how would you know that it wasn't really humans that initiated the war?

protheus 11-17-2010 02:13 PM

I said "trying to invade us", like in " Independence Day" type. Anyway, that was just a joke.

To fight against my own race, for a foreign country? Why should I?

BTW, don't worry about China invading, they already did, economicaly speaking, at least. There isn't a place on Earth where China isn't present.

SqueakyRat 11-17-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by protheus (Post 838145)
I said "trying to invade us", like in " Independence Day" type.

Yeah, but maybe they're trying to invade because they were attacked by humans first, the public just doesn't know about this. In any case, if they're able to attack earth they must be intelligent beings, there wouldn't be much difference from humans invading your country, except that it's war on a larger scale and the aliens might not be as attractive as human invaders, but would that really make a difference to you? "Okay, my family is being raped but at least by attractive humans!"

Quote:

Anyway, that was just a joke.
That's just a flimsy excuse!:mad:

JamboP26 11-17-2010 02:34 PM

It doesn't necessarily have to be about war. If I was given the choice to play for Brazil in the World Cup, or Japan, I'd choose Japan. I know if I were to play for Brazil, the chances of winning the World Cup would be greater, but I would prefer to try and win it with a team I love. Tbh, on PS3 football games, I use Japan the most, and I even beat Argentina 1-0 on World Class mode. :D

But back to the OP's original question, I wouldn't join up to the army, but if I did, I would choose to join Japan in defence of a country I love that has a rich history and culture :vsign:

Barone1551 11-17-2010 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtyroboto (Post 838107)
Thanks RickOShay.
If America had not castrated Japan, then they would have at least had a partner with balls to stand against the Asian contenders.

This great castration you speak of greatly benefited Japan. I see what you mean that the US could have a stronger ally if they allowed them to have an army. But especially now, I think it would be in Japans best interest to have the US be their military muscle.

KyokoUK 11-17-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barone1551 (Post 838157)
This great castration you speak of greatly benefited Japan. I see what you mean that the US could have a stronger ally if they allowed them to have an army. But especially now, I think it would be in Japans best interest to have the US be their military muscle.

So can we say that if someone was trying to hurt you or your family, you wouldn't fight for them but would go to the bully down the street and ask him to do it for you? And how many years after that will you be licking the boots of said bully for his "favor?"

Even being and English girl with Japanese roots, I want to see Japan given back her rights stripped from her after WWII. Wasn't dropping two atomic bombs on the nation of my families origins enough? Maybe they don't WANT the local bully "taking up for them" and would rather fight their own fights and have their own rights. Its time for America, however good of a nation they are, to get their fingers out of everyone else business.

dogsbody70 11-17-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KyokoUK (Post 838161)
So can we say that if someone was trying to hurt you or your family, you wouldn't fight for them but would go to the bully down the street and ask him to do it for you? And how many years after that will you be licking the boots of said bully for his "favor?"

Even being and English girl with Japanese roots, I want to see Japan given back her rights stripped from her after WWII. Wasn't dropping two atomic bombs on the nation of my families origins enough? Maybe they don't WANT the local bully "taking up for them" and would rather fight their own fights and have their own rights. Its time for America, however good of a nation they are, to get their fingers out of everyone else business.


I wonder if you have read about the way the Japanese behaved towards Prisoners of War during the PAcific war. Maybe its time you did some research.

dogsbody70 11-17-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 838148)
But back to the OP's original question, I wouldn't join up to the army, but if I did, I would choose to join Japan in defence of a country I love that has a rich history and culture :vsign:

You mean rather than fight for your OWn country?

KuranUSA 11-17-2010 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Barone1551 (Post 838157)
I see what you mean that the US could have a stronger ally if they allowed them to have an army. But especially now, I think it would be in Japans best interest to have the US be their military muscle.

What a silly thing to say. In addition to what KyokoUK said above,I will point out that the Japanese SDF(Self Defense Force) is one of the most advanced and highly trained in the world. Using the silly hypothetical conflict with china,Japan would fare much better,given the country's natural terrain and the fact that the SDF would push them back with comparative ease.

KuranUSA 11-17-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838163)
I wonder if you have read about the way the Japanese behaved towards Prisoners of War during the PAcific war. Maybe its time you did some research.

The opposite is also true. Though not publicly exposed,what do you think happened to the(relatively few) Japanese POW's?

dogsbody70 11-17-2010 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KuranUSA (Post 838166)
The opposite is also true. Though not publicly exposed,what do you think happened to the(relatively few) Japanese POW's?


Please tell me what happened to them?


After all they were expected to commit suicide for their emperor. it being a crime to allow themselves to be captured.


Japanese attitude towards the POW WWII.


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