No but they fought for a status quo that allowed the Europeans to continue to do this.

Even after WW2 the US didn't do anything about the French in Indochina or the Brits and Dutch in Indonesia, Malaysia. They handed it right back to them.

If the Japanese hadn't made such a dent in the European powers hold on Asia and the pacific then resistance movements in Vietnam (against the French), Malaysia and Indonesia which eventually lead to their liberation might not have been possible.

I have written on a previous thread about this subject.

Because the war is not experienced, it doesn't understand.
Itis only sad.

I called you ignorant because I believe most people who are throughly educated do not even bother trying to equate compare Pearl Harbor and the Bombs, and then imply that the Japanese were the poor victims in all this, against the evil American Empire. Now it is clear to me you and I just do not agree about the purpose and necessity of the bombs. I have argued about this and researched it into the ground, its not worth it for me to get into it again right now, cuz I am sure no matter how solid my argument is it won't convince you of anything. Sorry, for assuming you are ignorant, but I hope you understand why I would concluded such a thing based off that silly comparison.

I have just been watching a dvd about Japan's war in colour.


If you can get hold of it I recommend it.


I will not go into detail here but after the battle of Okinawa which was then used to use aircraft to firebomb the cities, it was awful to see those hundreds of incendiaries falling down in order to set fire to everything in its path.

Then also to see the Atom bombs dropped!!!!

The way the american tanks used FLAMES /GUNS from their tanks to reach all those who were hiding in caves-- amnong them many women and children. so much was set on fire from those awful flame throwers.

Knowing how many tunnels were created on Okinawa its dreadful to think how many japanese must have been burned alive

Oh surely we should learn from these awful happenings. All wars are dreadful and all too often its the innocent who suffer--not those who send armys out to do their work.

I doubt the Emperor realised the power that would be unleashed from the USA.

If he had been advised properly maybe he would have surrendered soon enough toprevent those A bombs being unleashed. The fire bombing should have been enough surely.


Of course for the Japanese-- surrender was supposed to be really unthinkable.

It wasn't unthinkable. The Japanese offered avenues to surrender prior to 1945. The Americans didn't take them up on it though.

No. I agree fully that torture is foul and I'm not condoning the use of it. I am simply against the comparison to the nazi regimes. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation is not yet in the same league as experimental vivisection on children to prove their genetic inferiority nor the whole-sale abduction of families and their subsequent execution.

I'm just pointing out your ab-dabs over America getting involved in foreign conflicts are rather hypocritical when you then start advocating precisely intervening in other countries conflicts. Including countries that currently aren't AT conflict. Nigeria and Thailand don't need American military intervention, but they need some western group of democrats marching in and telling them what to do for their own good just as little.

aannnd, I see this thread has degenerated swiftly into a slanging match of who 'knows' best and poor stereotypes. I'm out.

RIGHT! thats how i feel every time someone mentions it. i get angry!

While I understand why the US did it, & it did bring about the end of WWII, I severely dislike the action that brought about the death & suffering of thousands of innocent Japanese. The explosion does look good with Vinushka as a soundtrack though, especially Kyo's screaming at 4:30-something