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nobora 03-19-2011 01:51 AM

I understand that other places need help as well but Japan also needs help. If it was up to me I would help the whole world but then agian I am just an inmature teenager.

Ronin4hire 03-19-2011 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 857545)
So I suppose we just rob someone for the things they need and send it to them?

Most of the "things" Japan need has a monetary value, food, blankets, medication... tell me one thing that is not associated with a monetary value.

The only new point you've made that I haven't already countered.

And it's a good point. But I would say that rationally that works in the other direction. (i.e. Let Japan PAY for the stuff it needs.)

But if I have a spare blanket, it would be pretty sh*tty to try and sell it to Japan when it's a SPARE blanket.

It's the same with expertise. If I have a bunch of specialists to spare which could be put to far better use somewhere else, then it would be pretty sh*tty to get Japan to pay their salary.

globetrotter36 03-19-2011 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fluffy0000 (Post 857608)
The UK Red Cross, as with all IFRC member societies, operate first and foremost an Emergency Response service, which supports the statutory and governmental* Emergency services in times of crisis, in accordance with the duty of Red Cross and Red Crescent national societies to be auxiliaries in the humanitarian services of their governments*.

Dude, check it out*

Just because the Red Cross supports governmental and emergency services does not mean they get government funding and in fact don't (referring to UK);

Income and expenditure | British Red Cross

godwine 03-19-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 857664)
The only new point you've made that I haven't already countered.

And it's a good point. But I would say that rationally that works in the other direction. (i.e. Let Japan PAY for the stuff it needs.)

But if I have a spare blanket, it would be pretty sh*tty to try and sell it to Japan when it's a SPARE blanket.

It's the same with expertise. If I have a bunch of specialists to spare which could be put to far better use somewhere else, then it would be pretty sh*tty to get Japan to pay their salary.

But what makes you think that the Japanese government is not already paying for some of the relief effort????? As someone else pointed out, the country is already in debt, and they also have to plan for the money needed for any rebuilt effort after. Just like in Canada, houses destroyed by natural disasters are not covered by insurance. The government absorb the cost to resituate affected people. All that needs money. They will need to dig deeper into their pocket when the rescue effort is done, nobody will be teeing on to help then.

We our help now will releif some of the preside on the government economically, and that may have an impliction on how much the country can afford on. The rebuild. We are not tLking about a few houses, but an entire city and an entire power plant.......

d33rhunter 03-19-2011 01:03 PM

it makes sense
but still I'll help japan in any effort I could perform, a very little amount of donation and even just saving electricity or water at this time :)

Ronin4hire 03-19-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 857769)
But what makes you think that the Japanese government is not already paying for some of the relief effort????? As someone else pointed out, the country is already in debt, and they also have to plan for the money needed for any rebuilt effort after. Just like in Canada, houses destroyed by natural disasters are not covered by insurance. The government absorb the cost to resituate affected people. All that needs money. They will need to dig deeper into their pocket when the rescue effort is done, nobody will be teeing on to help then.

We our help now will releif some of the preside on the government economically, and that may have an impliction on how much the country can afford on. The rebuild. We are not tLking about a few houses, but an entire city and an entire power plant.......

I've already covered that.

I'm sure the Japanese government has their own relief effort mobilized. The Japanese are in debt but they aren't bankrupt. They will just have to borrow more to pay for it.

As far as I'm concerned, Japanese debt and the disaster are two different issues. If the disaster DIDN'T happen Japan would still be in debt. Now it will just be in a little bit more debt.

But like I said.. it has the economy to pay for it.

globetrotter36 03-19-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 857805)
If the disaster DIDN'T happen Japan would still be in debt. Now it will just be in a little bit more debt.

But like I said.. it has the economy to pay for it.

Wrong; you haven't considered the knock on effects of the loss of six reactors. Since you are not prepared to listen anybody else's reasoning let alone mine I will let you work this one out for yourself, it's quite simple.

Ronin4hire 03-19-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by globetrotter36 (Post 857809)
Wrong; you haven't considered the knock on effects of the loss of six reactors. Since you are not prepared to listen anybody else's reasoning let alone mine I will let you work this one out for yourself, it's quite simple.

What's the effect of the meltdown on the relief effort? It doesn't matter how much money you give Japan, it's not going to change how the rescue effort is hampered because of the radiation.

Any economic knock on effects of the loss of six reactors are not my problem. The relief effort is the only concern of mine.

I mean seriously.. why don't you go and bail Japan out of debt while you're at it.

globetrotter36 03-19-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 857835)
What's the effect of the meltdown on the relief effort? It doesn't matter how much money you give Japan, it's not going to change how the rescue effort is hampered because of the radiation.

That's not what I am talking about, you need to give my post deeper thought yet it isn't at all difficult if you can of course be bothered.

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I mean seriously.. why don't you go and bail Japan out of debt while you're at it.
Until now I would have credited you more sense than to make an idiotic remark like that.:eek:

Mel10 03-19-2011 07:12 PM

Why do you think that are japan so rich? And even if the disaster is dreadful. Someone to use help in such moments. Because of that i am spend money for japan. It hurts like hell to see this disaster! I hope to God that they to eliminate core melt accident.

PS: Please forgive me my bad english!!! ^^ I had into the school the note "4". In Germany is "1" the best and "6" the worst. XD


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