The revival of Cold War
 

Russia in Europe missile threat

23 November 2011 last updated at 19:09 GMT

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has warned that missiles could be deployed on the EU's borders if the US pursues its missile defence plans.

In a televised statement, he said "modern weapons systems" could be deployed in Kaliningrad if Russia, the US and Nato failed to come to a deal.

He added that Moscow may opt out of the New Start arms deal agreed with the US.

Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen said he was "very disappointed" by Mr Medvedev's response.

Washington wants an anti-missile shield ready by 2020 but Moscow considers the idea a threat to its nuclear forces.

The US says the shield is intended to provide protection from the potential missile threat posed by countries like Iran.

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In respond to building of US anti-ballistic missile facilities in Poland, Romania, Turkey, Russia will deploy tactical intermediate-range missiles and target those ABM launch pads.

Honestly, we figured they allready were pointed at them, that ain't nothin new. Russia allways has been kinda paranoid. Won't stop us building the anti missle system though. The Nutjobs in Iran will launch a nuke tipped missle soon as it's ready to go, they believe they have to bring about the apocolypse in order for they "Great Mahadi" to show up, this guy is supposedly the reimbodied mohomed.

Though I supect the first nuke target will be Saudi Arbia, Iran and Saudi Arabia vieing for power in the so called "arab spring". Soon as one or the other brings about a new caliphate..most likely in Turkey, they will launch a combined attack on Isreal.

It will happen, they been saying as much for last several years. How the rest of world responds will be the interesting part.

the sudden economic crash of the european union may more dissapointed than the petty missile issues.

conventional democratic countries like the united kingdom or italy are killing the world economy. i believe this mister danish army man needs to set up his priorities properly.

kinda paranoid
 

Oh, please :) This is based on solid calculations what all those US-owned radars or SM- 2 / SM-3 launch pads really intended for. The point of mentioned Medvedev's statement is not force you to abandon ABM facilities. Build them, if you wish. But in case of thermonuclear strikes between our countries your european servants aka Romania, Turkey etc will be punished at a very first moment of global war. ABM radars as well as launch pads / silos of interceptor missiles will be destroyed just prior to retaliation strike.

What difference would it really make? Once you start something like that, it's pretty much over....

That's the point of a Missle defense system Term, It makes your missles useless. That's why Russia is all pissy, they have enough spy info from old KGB to know it works and don't like it being deployed so close. Basically cause then they can't bully Poland anymore. US missle tech is easily 20 years ahead of everybody elses. It's 30 years since SDI was first envisioned, more than enough time to have achieved viable working weapon platforms.

For instance, that Railgun the navy test fired.

the point
 

Useless, you said? So when an american SM-3 succesfully intercepted an up-to-date Russian ICBM armed by nuclear or conventional warheads?:) Tell me any info about data and place of that wonderful field test of American ABM system. ;)
Your ABM facilities just pose danger to strategic balance of nuclear weapons between Russia and USA.
Russia is not "pissy", Russian leadership just warns your administration as well as various loyal puppets / servants of the USA located in Europe and elsewhere to stop playng dangerous games nearby borders of Russian Federation. Plain and simple.
Furthermore, Russians need not gather info how-US ABM system-works " from old KGB agents" just because the very first succesful test of anti-ballistic missile interceptor took place in the USSR many years prior to demonstration of principles of Reagan's SDI to wide public.

Why do you think so? Russia is an independent state in foreign policy and need not follow advices of some sort of "pyramidal eye-in-the-sky" from Washington, DC:)

Yep. That's why your family of up-to-date Atlas space rockets are equipped by Russian-built RD-180 engines, designed 20 years ago.

Nasa isn't the US military Term. Entirely two seperate departments, Nasa isn't even part of the Pentegon. AS for field testing, we pretty much saw what American made equipment does to Soviet equipment in Iraq and Afganistan.

The Patriot missle system is not our anti missle platform, that was an anti aircraft missle system that worked so well it could track slower moveing missles. The Anti missle systems radar is so advanced it can detect not only the movement of a basketball in miami, from DC, but can detect wich direction it's rotateing in.

Besides. It's Iran you should be worrid about, those kooks will launch a nuke soon as they have one operational, and really, who knows where they will send it.

jesus. having a basketball tournament real close must be a nightmere, right?

stop masturbating for once about how awesome america is. you aren't smart enough to come up with valid points.
however, my comrade termograd here is smart enough to show you how cool the Russia is.

as a wise chinese businessman says "russia's unique economic position is more powerful than the russian military".

equipment
 

Actually, the mentioned Atlas rockets weren't developed by NASA.

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As for "American equipment Vs Soviet-made one" in Iraq and Afganistan, what do you mean exactly? Perhaps, the US Tomohawks Vs bunch of wild rebells, armed by Kalashnikovs?:)
During war in Yugoslavia, an outdated Soviet-built SAM successfully shot dawn US F-117 "Stealth" bomber.


Modern Russian OTH radars have the same technical parameters. Soviet scientists began to develop the concept of early warning systems (over the horizon radars) more that 50 years ago.

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Frankly, I see absolutely no reasons to be scared of Iran.

No, not some rebel with a ak, we destroyed entire armies based on Soviet tactics and soviet gear. Crushed them in a matter of hours. You can take from it what you like, doesn't matter to me either way. Russia won't attack US and everybody knows it, so Med's little speech was just blowing smoke.

Term; Iran is full of crazies who believe they are the Harbringer of the end days and to achieve that end they must bring about world war, think about it for a little while at least. this isn't a nation who seeks "national interests" they meerly wish to bring about the return of the Mahadi as soon as possible.

Evanny; Grade point average in college was 3.5, graduated with honors in my field. Plus, I'm ex army Desert Storm vet, I actually worked with some of this equipment I'm talking about. Yes, I do think American military is best in world bar none. So?

tactics
 

NATO forces attacked Iraq in proportions ~ 50 : 1. No matter what kind of "military gear" iraqi "armies" had.


I think, after recent attack of NATO helos on Pakistani soldiers, the USA got another one hostile nation in the region :


US and Pakistan: deadliest of friends

With the deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers in an air strike, the US may have made its costliest mistake of the war in Afghanistan

How bad can a relationship between two military allies get? If this year's tally of incidents is anything to go by, Pakistan's rage against the American military machine can get a lot worse. First came the affair over Raymond Davis, the CIA agent who shot dead two men who had pulled up in front of his car at a traffic light in Lahore. Then came the US raid that killed Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani garrison town of Abbottabad. And now this.

An Afghan special forces operation, backed up by Nato troops, allegedly came under fire from across the border. Afghan troops, another report goes, called in Nato airstrikes, and two Pakistani military posts were hit, killing 24 soldiers. The reaction in Pakistan ranged yesterday from cold fury (it is just not believed in Pakistani military circles that Nato was unaware of the co-ordinates of the two military posts in the village of Salala) to hot conspiracy: America was the "big evil". The politician Imran Khan told thousands of supporters on Saturday that it was time to end the alliance with the US. It would be folly to dismiss this as mere populism. After a year like this, the Pakistani military will have to cope with rising levels of pressure from within its own ranks to end co-operation with the US.

The Afghan element to this tale of friendly fire is also troubling. If, as US forces start to draw down, Afghan troops take the lead in highly sensitive areas like these, where the exact line of the border is unclear, then this weekend's woeful events may not be the last. As it is, it would not take much for Pakistani and Afghan troops to open fire on each other. On the Afghan side of the border in Kunar province, there was little doubt that the US military had done the right thing. They were congratulated for hitting the right target. On Saturday the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, approved a second list of areas where Afghan forces will start taking the lead from Nato troops. As it is, the US is reluctant to give the Afghans fast jets or heavy artillery for fear of what they would do.

The short-term response is not as troubling as the long-term implications. Pakistan closed two border crossings and gave the US 15 days to quit Shamsi airbase in Baluchistan, from which it flew drones targeting militants in the tribal areas. The closures will make Barack Obama more dependent on Vladimir Putin's goodwill, and the northern supply route through which 60% of troops and military cargo to Afghanistan now travel. But, of itself, the closures will be a temporary problem. Of greater significance is the erosion of Pakistani public support for the US fight against the Taliban. It would not be the first strategic mistake the US had made in this war, but it could yet prove the costliest.


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So, NATO pilots cannot determine who is a friend and who is a foe.......:) Friendly fire, huh? Or it's normal for Americans to exterminate allies together with enemy soldiers?

The air strike was called in by afgan troops, so ask them what thier motives were. Pakistan isn't really much of an ally anyhow, good ol Binladin was in a retirement area for Pakistani military. We mostly just bribe them to at least make a showing of doing something, but that isn't worth it anymore.

Proportion in battle is stupid, you use overwelming firepower as quickly as possible. But hey, they did out number us by several 100k troops. In fact, aside from Isreal, whole middle east is America's enemy and has been since 1800, when they found out the US existed.

AS to US Russian relationship, it's mostly just smoke from both sides. I mean really, who want's to occupy either? Russia is too damn cold in winter and US is full of red necks, with guns.

The "new cold war" is a political invention created by the powers-that-be to maintain control over their respective countries. They must "defend themselves from outside threats", which is basically nonsense. If the Russian people believe that America is a threat to their way of life, they will elect "leaders" who promise to protect them, and the people won't complain when half the tax revenue that their government collects is spent on national defense. The same is true of Americans. The government can only maintain power over it's people by making people believe that only the government can protect them, as religious leaders claim that only Jesus or Mohammed (acting through the church or mosque) can protect them. It's the same old game which has been played for centuries.

Them aim is to make people afraid. When people are frightened, they are easier to control.

Too bad aliens aren't proven, then they could unit the world in fear of aliens

firerpower
 

Well, good job!:)

100K troops without well-developed air-defence systems, air and naval forces are nothing short of easy targets.

Well, if they had poor anti air, that was Russian equipment. Can't blame us for that. That "golden BeeBee" method just doesn't work. In fact, the Iraqi army was pretty adament about haveing American made equipment for thier newly trained army, they wanted to feel like part of the group and the old soviet stuff made them feel inadequate.