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pureturk 06-21-2007 12:23 AM

are japanese Turanians?
 
there is a big controvorsary over Japanese people being Turanian or not.
what do you guys think?
u may wanna learn from here.
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Acidreptile 06-21-2007 12:26 AM

And what is turanian?

Maku 06-21-2007 12:35 AM

Quote:

Turan is the ancient Iranian name for Central Asia
From this map to prove my point, I will say no, as Japan is in the East of Asia.

pureturk 06-21-2007 12:42 AM

how does that map prove any point? will you explain a little bit more detailed?

Acidreptile 06-21-2007 12:42 AM

Wow Maku you brought a map...Cool info!

Maku 06-21-2007 12:44 AM

The quote is my backup, from the very link you gave me.

pureturk 06-21-2007 12:52 AM

well Turanian people are known to be nomads. could the japanese migrated to the present Japan island some time ago? the Iranian meaning of the word has no Geographical point. the word Turan or Turanian might have derived from an Iranian word. but that does not mean Turanians did not exist long before this word was invented :) right?

Maku 06-21-2007 12:55 AM

That's a good point.
It's possible that they could be, but I don't think all of them would be.
A minority perhaps, some kind of hidden bloodline?

pureturk 07-16-2007 09:57 AM

well a lot of linguists consider Japanese to be an Altaic language.

In 1909, Shinkichi Hashimoto found that Old Japanese had two groups of the vowels /i/, /e/, and /o/, so there were 8 vowels and everyone could distinguish them clearly, except those from the distant Aduma people in the East. Further studies on the usage and distinction of these vowels indicate that Old Japanese had vowel accordance, something close to vowel harmony, which is characteristic of Altaic languages like Turkish, Mongolian, and Tungusic languages. It's one of important aspects that indicates the relation of Altaic languages and Japanese, but this vowel accordance and even the distinction of two groups of vowels disappeared by the 10th century. Isn't this a linguistic version of same phenomena, that the average Japanese became 160 cm tall hundreds of years after the shock wave from Korea? As time passes, the Japanese language has been losing the characteristic Altaic part of its origin.

Origin of the Japanese People and Language

if you look at the structure of the Japanese words, its harmonical like Mongolian Hungarian Turkish.

for example

Mitsubishi
Yokohama
kawasaki

you see how the vowels are in harmonical order? ka-wa-sa-ki

and Turkish for example,

kanayan
derece
buyucu

same concept in Turkish

crrichey 07-16-2007 10:26 AM

It was my understanding that the Japanese were a mix of Korean and the natives (who were almost white).

kireikoori 07-28-2007 10:33 PM

Hope it's ok to respond to a topic that was back on page 5.
Quote:

Originally Posted by crrichey (Post 179649)
It was my understanding that the Japanese were a mix of Korean and the natives (who were almost white).

Korean is also likely to be an Altaic language. Though there are heavier Sino-influences on Korean. The Sino-influences on Korean are foreign. Neither Japanese nor Korean are related to Chinese.

The language classification of Japanese is disputed. Same with Korean. They used to be just considered language isolates. But if they aren't language isolates then they are most likely Altaic languages.

pureturk 08-10-2007 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kireikoori (Post 191184)
Hope it's ok to respond to a topic that was back on page 5.

Korean is also likely to be an Altaic language. Though there are heavier Sino-influences on Korean. The Sino-influences on Korean are foreign. Neither Japanese nor Korean are related to Japanese.

The language classification of Japanese is disputed. Same with Korean. They used to be just considered language isolates. But if they aren't language isolates then they are most likely Altaic languages.

very well said kireikoori.
I agree with everything you said


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