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Joedirt 03-18-2008 12:13 PM

Should the U.S. forces leave Japan?
 
It is very expensive for the United States to keep its military in Japan. Should the U.S. withdraw its troops and leave Japan? I was stationed in Okinawa back in 1989-1992. We took up a lot of space on the island and most people did not want us there anyway.

I think it is too expensive for the United States to maintain a presence in Japan and Korea.

Tyrien 03-18-2008 01:21 PM

Economy was fine until the Middle East showed up on the war budget.

Unless you have some sort of ulterior aim with this opinion I don't see how it's the top priority on the military's "we're spending too much" list.

Joedirt 03-18-2008 01:43 PM

Keeping our foces in Japan is very costly compared to if the were stationed in the U.S.

The war ended in 1945. How long do we need to keep troops there?

UNaruto1990 03-18-2008 01:44 PM

Personally I would rather US troops to be totally out of Japan, I see no point in having them there, I mean Japan is not a small poor country that needs help, Japan already has one of the strongest and most powerful economies in the world, so I say Japan got to stand up again and protect itself.

Tyrien 03-18-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Joedirt (Post 430339)
Keeping our foces in Japan is very costly compared to if the were stationed in the U.S.

The war ended in 1945. How long do we need to keep troops there?

Again, the Japan bases are no where near the top of the expenditure list in the US Military budget.

So to cut costs seems like a rather moot point.

EveV 03-18-2008 02:27 PM

I'm not sure really.
Japanese need them for protection.
Regardless if Japan is a prosperous country , the war sort of ruined the worlds trust for them.
Plus I think if the U.S pulled out other countries would try to come in, which could cause a pointless war.

dannavy85 03-18-2008 02:34 PM

If the United States pulled out of Japan....

1. North Korea would attack South Korea.

2. China could effectively blockade Japan into submission.

Japan is a key strategic point in the Pacific rim in order to keep the North Pacific stable. The Japanese understand the seriousness of their position, if they didn't they wouldn't have allowed the USS Washington to be based in Yokosuka.

Gackt21 03-18-2008 02:44 PM

I think the U.S. should be out of Japan they no longer need the U.S. I personally think that my own country needs to mind its own business.

typesblur 03-18-2008 03:19 PM

agree with danavv we are there for strategic placement in case of emergecy we have troops nearby to assist.

chachava 03-18-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dannavy85 (Post 430393)
If the United States pulled out of Japan....

1. North Korea would attack South Korea..

How do you work that out? Don't the yanks have bases in South Korea?

Hyakushi 03-18-2008 04:26 PM

Well if its too expensive to stay in japan then we should just kill off prisoners instead of keeping jail houses open there really really expensive and all they do is sit around and eat =/ but right now we actually have some ground with japan and there even paying for troops to be sent there so I don't see anything wrong with it.

UNaruto1990 03-18-2008 04:42 PM

If Japan was able to protect itself there would be no real difference if US troops where there or not, that's why I said Japan should be able to protect itself, and my personal view is that US troops in Japan are not related to whether there would be a war between S.korea and N.korea or not.

Bottom line, US troops should be gone out of Japan and totally, and Japan should be allowed to build whatever army it wanted, Japan is more than capable of building an army that is more advanced than USA's or China's...

EveV 03-18-2008 04:52 PM

Building an army that was good enough to protect the country would take time.
Even if the U.S were to pull out they'd have to stay there for some time to make sure Japan was completely ready for them to leave.

Also. These factors completely slipped my mind but they're very important.
Fighting and Korea dominating has ceased because the U.S is breathing down their backs.



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Originally Posted by dannavy85 (Post 430393)
If the United States pulled out of Japan....

1. North Korea would attack South Korea.

2. China could effectively blockade Japan into submission.

Japan is a key strategic point in the Pacific rim in order to keep the North Pacific stable. The Japanese understand the seriousness of their position, if they didn't they wouldn't have allowed the USS Washington to be based in Yokosuka.


UNaruto1990 03-18-2008 05:57 PM

The US is breathing behind their back whether they were in Japan or not, it's a small planet we're living in!!

EveV 03-18-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UNaruto1990 (Post 430615)
The US is breathing behind their back whether they were in Japan or not, it's a small planet we're living in!!

Most wars are influenced,stopped or course changed because of geography.
Not a very small world x.x

UNaruto1990 03-18-2008 06:53 PM

1) there is not enough US army in Japan to stop a war.
2) If both koreas wanted to fight, US army can deal with it whether they were in Japan or USA, it won't really make any difference.

EveV 03-18-2008 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UNaruto1990 (Post 430637)
1) there is not enough US army in Japan to stop a war.
2) If both koreas wanted to fight, US army can deal with it whether they were in Japan or USA, it won't really make any difference.

Yes it well.
Do you think the u.s army in invincible or that we have magical teleporting powers? <<
Of course there isn't enough U.S troops in Japan to stop a war.
But once the war starts , that'll be the first line of defense.
Which is very valuable to keep close to the enemy.

xYinniex 03-18-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Joedirt (Post 430299)
It is very expensive for the United States to keep its military in Japan. Should the U.S. withdraw its troops and leave Japan? I was stationed in Okinawa back in 1989-1992. We took up a lot of space on the island and most people did not want us there anyway.

I think it is too expensive for the United States to maintain a presence in Japan and Korea.

It's more expensive for america not to be in Japan. Since Japan and america obviously maintain good communications and hence there is a well driven economy built up between them. It's an investment and it seems unlikely for the countries to pull out of an investment.

UNaruto1990 03-18-2008 09:00 PM

I don't think that US army is even strong if you wanted the truth, but the USA has enough missles, aircrafts to fight in korea even if it wasn't in Japan, what would be the difference? 2 hours? it won't be more than 1 hour.

Amnell 03-18-2008 10:03 PM

Insofar as a second Korean war is concerned, the reason we need to keep forces in Japan is because Kadena AFB in Okinawa would serve a logistics hub and stretegic launch point for US forces. We do have an air base in Seoul and several other South Korean cities, but most of these are equipped primarily with fighter/interceptor aircraft and ground forces. Kadena AFB is where our B-2's and other long range bombers--not to mention the C-130's that drop FOOD for refugees--take off from. Pulling out of Japan while North Korea and South Korea want (thier own form of) unification is a VERY bad idea.

Aside from all of that, the U.S. has major bases all around the world. Why? So that we can rapid-deploy our forces in the event of an emergency, i.e. it won't take thrity-six hours for our first brigade of Marines and their fighting vehicles to get to the problem area and deploy. Our stations in Japan are our Asia-Pacific hub. It isn't any different than us having bases in Germany or down in Africa or wherever (and no one's complained about that o_O ).

EveV 03-18-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnell (Post 430702)
Insofar as a second Korean war is concerned, the reason we need to keep forces in Japan is because Kadena AFB in Okinawa would serve a logistics hub and stretegic launch point for US forces. We do have an air base in Seoul and several other South Korean cities, but most of these are equipped primarily with fighter/interceptor aircraft and ground forces. Kadena AFB is where our B-2's and other long range bombers--not to mention the C-130's that drop FOOD for refugees--take off from. Pulling out of Japan while North Korea and South Korea want (thier own form of) unification is a VERY bad idea.

Aside from all of that, the U.S. has major bases all around the world. Why? So that we can rapid-deploy our forces in the event of an emergency, i.e. it won't take thrity-six hours for our first brigade of Marines and their fighting vehicles to get to the problem area and deploy. Our stations in Japan are our Asia-Pacific hub. It isn't any different than us having bases in Germany or down in Africa or wherever (and no one's complained about that o_O ).

Haha << I was waiting for someone to post all the info I was to lazy to look up.

Hatredcopter 03-18-2008 10:27 PM

I wouldn't be so against US forces being stationed in Japan if so many of the servicemen there didn't go out and get drunk every time they're on break and terrorize the local Japanese population. Seems like every time you scan the headlines, there's a rape scandal or some story about US servicemen committing crimes. I know the Japanese media likes to dwell on these things and make them more serious than they are sometimes, but unfortunately there are a few bad apples stationed in Japan that gives the Japanese a bad image of Americans.

That combined with the fact that Japan can probably defend itself by now probably means we should pull out. And before anyone gets upset, I know most military personnel behave themselves over there, it's just a few people who ruin it for everyone else.

xYinniex 03-18-2008 10:53 PM

you guys make korea sound terrible
I actually want to go there for holiday, it seems pretty cool. XD

EveV 03-18-2008 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 430736)
you guys make korea sound terrible
I actually want to go there for holiday, it seems pretty cool. XD

Which part? << Tourist always have more fun then the people who actual live in the place being visited x.x

xYinniex 03-18-2008 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EveV (Post 430739)
Which part? << Tourist always have more fun then the people who actual live in the place being visited x.x

south,
the north's communist. don't agree with that at all.

EveV 03-18-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 430749)
south,
the north's communist. don't agree with that at all.

Ah. Yea, I've heard south Korea is pretty much fine and dandy. ( Besides the whole being next to a communist government thing << )
Someone once told me the guy... ah can't think of his name. The "emperor" has a myspace <<
I think it can be found on google hidden links.

Amnell 03-18-2008 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 430736)
you guys make korea sound terrible
I actually want to go there for holiday, it seems pretty cool. XD

Nyahh~, I'm sorry, didn't mean to do that! Lol. Nah, Korea's pretty cool, from what I know. It's just a volatile situation on that peninsula because both countries want unification but have very different ideas on how to do it.

If I could read Hangeul, I might want to go to Seoul sometime :P . (Dunno why, I would just feel real uncomfortable in a place with a writing system I couldn't decipher--hence I have no desire to go to the middle east)

Ronin4hire 03-18-2008 11:49 PM

US forces are there to stifle the Chinese and Russian military influence in the region and to help contain North Korea along with their bases in South Korea.

The Japanese Defence Force is a powerful, typical conventional military force except in name only. It is considered by experts as more powerful and more modern than either the British and French militaries. The naming of the Japanese military as the "JDF" is so that they can have a military while not violating the pacifist constitution which they drew up after WW2.

Personally I'm not for or against US forces in South East Asia as I feel it's an issue for the people of Okinawa, South Korea and to some extent America to decide and I don't feel threatened by Chinese military modernization and expansion of their influence.

Ramones1976 03-19-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Joedirt (Post 430299)
It is very expensive for the United States to keep its military in Japan. Should the U.S. withdraw its troops and leave Japan? I was stationed in Okinawa back in 1989-1992. We took up a lot of space on the island and most people did not want us there anyway.

I think it is too expensive for the United States to maintain a presence in Japan and Korea.

Hell yeah
The us should get the fuck out of there and every other country where it has occupying military forces now :mad:

Amnell 03-19-2008 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramones1976 (Post 430810)
Hell yeah
The us should get the fuck out of there and every other country where it has occupying military forces now :mad:

Your reasons?

Ramones1976 03-19-2008 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnell (Post 430811)
Your reasons?

Because the us doesn't have any business being there, and I heard about horrible things that the occupying military forces did to the people there...

Amnell 03-19-2008 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramones1976 (Post 430817)
Because the us doesn't have any business being there, and I heard about horrible things that the occupying military forces did to the people there...

Your reasoning and support?

Ramones1976 03-19-2008 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnell (Post 430819)
Your reasoning and support?

Sorry, what do you mean?

EveV 03-19-2008 12:18 AM

If the U.S pulled out all of it bases.
We'd be bombed from all angles as well as a majority of places the bases were on.

Amnell 03-19-2008 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramones1976 (Post 430821)
Sorry, what do you mean?

On what are you basing your opinion?

Ramones1976 03-19-2008 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EveV (Post 430822)
If the U.S pulled out all of it bases.
We'd be bombed from all angles as well as a majority of places the bases were on.

Bombed by who?
Everyone has been sooo bloody paranoid for the past 6/7 years
Global warming and the damages done by natural forces have been far more destructive than any terrorist attack
I don't believe in or like the military, I'm completely anti-war
I think all political issues are best resolved using non-violence. People should just live in peace
Killing one another and inflicting chaos and destruction isn't going to solve anything...

EveV 03-19-2008 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramones1976 (Post 430827)
Bombed by who?
Everyone has been sooo bloody paranoid for the past 6/7 years
Global warming and the damages done by natural forces have been far more destructive than any terrorist attack
I don't believe in or like the military, I'm completely anti-war
I think all political issues are best resolved using non-violence. People should just live in peace
Killing one another and inflicting chaos and destruction isn't going to solve anything...

Any major attack?
What news station do you watch do you know what is happening to people over seas? o.o
Does 9/11 not exist in your head? o.O
I hate war as well but you can't blame the U.S for all the destruction, true we cause damage. But, places like Iraq for example. North Korea. These places not only kill their neighbors but their own people. If these places did not exist the U.S wouldn't have to be so paranoid. Not only for our own wellbeing but for the countries who count on us for protection.
And yes,
I know there are places the U.S does not belong because the chaos in them well never be solved. ( Iraq for example )

Ramones1976 03-19-2008 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by EveV (Post 430836)
Any major attack?
What news station do you watch do you know what is happening to people over seas? o.o
Does 9/11 not exist in your head? o.O
I hate war as well but you can't blame the U.S for all the destruction, true we cause damage. But, places like Iraq for example. North Korea. These places not only kill their neighbors but their own people. If these places did not exist the U.S wouldn't have to be so paranoid. Not only for our own wellbeing but for the countries who count on us for protection.
And yes,
I know there are places the U.S does not belong because the chaos in them well never be solved. ( Iraq for example )

Bullshit...
About anything except Faux news
Yeah of coarse
Yeah yeah 9/11...
9/11 wasn't investigated enough, and there's reason to believe that it could have been completely prevented
Yes...the bush administration is responsible for most of the damage done over the past 8 years...
Yes, I know about the civil war in Iraq, the people fighting against the us and among religious fanatics within the country. The Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds have been pitted against each other for centuries...
What do you mean "if these places did not exist"??
Other countries shouldn't rely on the us "protection" by military forces
The UN and Iraq should be resolving their problems without the us meddling in their affairs. The us has a bad reputation of meddling in others affairs, invading countries, being very secretive, and taking what doesn't belong to them...
The us should just say in the us and stay the hell out of counties it doesn't belong in. Unless its to actually help them, such as helping to fight AIDS in Africa, South Asia, and Latin america. There's such a thing as Peace Corp
Yeah, and the chaos is getting worse the longer the us stays there...
More solders were killed last year than any other year of the war...
Peace and democracy isn't spread with the barrel of a gun

chachava 03-19-2008 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UNaruto1990 (Post 430535)
If Japan was able to protect itself there would be no real difference if US troops where there or not, that's why I said Japan should be able to protect itself, and my personal view is that US troops in Japan are not related to whether there would be a war between S.korea and N.korea or not.

Bottom line, US troops should be gone out of Japan and totally, and Japan should be allowed to build whatever army it wanted, Japan is more than capable of building an army that is more advanced than USA's or China's...

yeah, because Japan has a history of doing nice things with it's army don't they!

oh, wait.....

EveV 03-19-2008 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramones1976 (Post 430847)
Bullshit...
About anything except Faux news
Yeah of coarse
Yeah yeah 9/11...
9/11 wasn't investigated enough, and there's reason to believe that it could have been completely prevented
Yes...the bush administration is responsible for most of the damage done over the past 8 years...
Yes, I know about the civil war in Iraq, the people fighting against the us and among religious fanatics within the country. The Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds have been pitted against each other for centuries...
What do you mean "if these places did not exist"??
Other countries shouldn't rely on the us "protection" by military forces
The UN and Iraq should be resolving their problems without the us meddling in their affairs. The us has a bad reputation of meddling in others affairs, invading countries, being very secretive, and taking what doesn't belong to them...
The us should just say in the us and stay the hell out of counties it doesn't belong in. Unless its to actually help them, such as helping to fight AIDS in Africa, South Asia, and Latin america. There's such a thing as Peace Corp
Yeah, and the chaos is getting worse the longer the us stays there...
More solders were killed last year than any other year of the war...
Peace and democracy isn't spread with the barrel of a gun


Evidence would be nice


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