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BlueStar 11-13-2008 09:08 PM

completing my Education in japan >> ?
 
hi everyone,

i've my Diploma degree, and i want to get my bachelor in japan

my major is Computer Technician "Information Technology Systems Support".


which univercity do you advice me to enrol to it.

it's ok to study in japanese lang.

but it's better to study in english

so what do you say?

talk about everything, study, how is life, prices, troubles, what do i need to prepare,,,,,,, etc



i'm waiting for your response.


C ya:ywave:

xYinniex 11-13-2008 09:17 PM

I'm sure you can partake in the erasmus programme which might have you doing

1st &2nd year: your own country
3rd: Foreign country
4th: final year back in your own country.

BlueStar 11-13-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 627161)
I'm sure you can partake in the erasmus programme which might have you doing

1st &2nd year: your own country
3rd: Foreign country
4th: final year back in your own country.


well,

i cann't change my program of completing my education

because it's schoolarship from my government,


i only can choose the univercity.

thanks,,

MMM 11-13-2008 10:21 PM

You do speak Japanese?

BlueStar 11-13-2008 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 627229)
You do speak Japanese?

NOPE !

but i can enter a japanese lang. teaching institute.


but i want to know is it in en or ja, and which is better ?

MMM 11-13-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStar (Post 627232)
NOPE !

but i can enter a japanese lang. teaching institute.


but i want to know is it in en or ja, and which is better ?

You understand it will take at least four years of intense study to be able to speak and read on a university level, right?

BlueStar 11-13-2008 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 627235)
You understand it will take at least four years of intense study to be able to speak and read on a university level, right?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

WOW

are u sure ?

that's too much man

4 y to speak and read in that level .....




is ja lang. that hard ?

kenmei 11-13-2008 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStar (Post 627244)
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

WOW

are u sure ?

that's too much man

4 y to speak and read in that level .....




is ja lang. that hard ?

it requires serious dedication and practically immersion into the language/country in order to be at a good enough level to take AND pass university courses in japanese, I'd imagine. There are international schools for foreigners, but they focus on you learning japanese and not necisiarily a major. Just like if a Japanese were coming to the United states for University, they're required to pass TOEFL (rudamentary english test) in order to be accepted. This is so that they'll be able to actually function in an all english environment. I don't understand how this can be a suprise to you, I mean, you are going to THEIR country, speaking and understanding their language should be a given.

MMM 11-13-2008 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStar (Post 627244)
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

WOW

are u sure ?

that's too much man

4 y to speak and read in that level .....




is ja lang. that hard ?

I studied 4 years to get on about a 3rd grade reading level (440 kanji...give or take). You will need about 4 or 5 times that to think about college level. Japanese was only part of my studies, so if you were study 4 to 6 hours a day, I supposed it is possible.

For a native English speaker it takes at least twice as long, many three times as long to learn Japanese as it does Spanish or French or another western language.

samokan 11-14-2008 12:22 AM

try waseda university. I'm not sure about undergrad if they are assigned to translator but some masteral student i know who studied there were assigned to one and their assigned professor also can speak english.

but most of their class were held in japanese.

undergrad usually have intensive japanese lessons.

some monbusho scholars I know, have really intensive japanese class for a year, I think they study everyday more or less 10 hours of japanese lessons per day and by the end of the year they are expected to reach the JLPT 2 or 1.

MMM 11-14-2008 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by samokan (Post 627295)
try waseda university. I'm not sure about undergrad if they are assigned to translator but some masteral student i know who studied there were assigned to one and their assigned professor also can speak english.

but most of their class were held in japanese.

undergrad usually have intensive japanese lessons.

some monbusho scholars I know, have really intensive japanese class for a year, I think they study everyday more or less 10 hours of japanese lessons per day and by the end of the year they are expected to reach the JLPT 2 or 1.

JLPT 1 in one year. That would be like writing a graduate thesis after studying English for a year.

Nyororin 11-14-2008 12:40 AM

You can get into international programs without any Japanese...
However, you will be in an intensive university level Japanese course for the first year or year and a half with absolutely no time spent on anything else. It is possibly, in that environment, to reach a workable level of Japanese in that amount of time... But think 8 hours a day of intensive language classes, and nothing else.

Not that it is a bad path at all if your goal is to study in Japan. In fact, it`s the best path in my opinion. Studying Japanese outside of Japan will take an eternity.

Nyororin 11-14-2008 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 627304)
JLPT 1 in one year. That would be like writing a graduate thesis after studying English for a year.

But it can and has been done. It`s the level and intensity of the classes - and the determination of the student.
I do have to say that the majority who pull it off are Chinese, so have kanji background to draw from though.

MMM 11-14-2008 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 627311)
But it can and has been done. It`s the level and intensity of the classes - and the determination of the student.
I do have to say that the majority who pull it off are Chinese, so have kanji background to draw from though.

Aha...that would make sense. That must be intense!

Nyororin 11-14-2008 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 627314)
Aha...that would make sense. That must be intense!

I once talked to someone about halfway through the course. She was doing 8 hours of back to back 60 to 90 minute classes, 2 hours of individual speaking practice after them, then 4 hours of solo listening+writing practice and homework each night. Squeeze meals and a bath in there and the day is over.

samokan 11-14-2008 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 627304)
JLPT 1 in one year. That would be like writing a graduate thesis after studying English for a year.


yeah i also shocked to learn that. I know this mongolian girl who was under that program, after a year of intensive japanese language study, she was required to either take level 1 or 2. she did take level 2. if she can't pass she can't proceed to her degree.

samokan 11-14-2008 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 627319)
I once talked to someone about halfway through the course. She was doing 8 hours of back to back 60 to 90 minute classes, 2 hours of individual speaking practice after them, then 4 hours of solo listening+writing practice and homework each night. Squeeze meals and a bath in there and the day is over.


yeah that's about their schedule per day .. i think they are required to memorize at least 10 kanji per day.. with all the vocab, and grammar and all ..:eek:

Nyororin 11-14-2008 01:02 AM

Maybe I`m just spoiled, but after that type of schedule, I`d want to be able to handwrite a novel with some pretty impressive prose...
I don`t think it would really be able that unthinkable to hit JLPT2 after a course like that - I passed it after only a little over a year in Japan, with no actual study. The gap between 2 and 1 took some time, but 14 hours a day of study for a year and it doesn`t sound impossible to me at all, really.

samokan 11-14-2008 01:05 AM

I think it's really doable, it all comes down to your interest and determination

BlueStar 11-14-2008 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 627310)
You can get into international programs without any Japanese...
However, you will be in an intensive university level Japanese course for the first year or year and a half with absolutely no time spent on anything else. It is possibly, in that environment, to reach a workable level of Japanese in that amount of time... But think 8 hours a day of intensive language classes, and nothing else.

Not that it is a bad path at all if your goal is to study in Japan. In fact, it`s the best path in my opinion. Studying Japanese outside of Japan will take an eternity.

so in this international program, i can study in english.
but i have to study 1 year ja. lang.
8 hours is easy i think
cuz i studied en in one year 8 hours a day

thanks........

BlueStar 11-14-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by samokan (Post 627321)
yeah that's about their schedule per day .. i think they are required to memorize at least 10 kanji per day.. with all the vocab, and grammar and all ..:eek:

and how much should i know for the college.


400 kanji ?

Hatredcopter 11-14-2008 05:01 PM

2000 kanji.


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