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NanteNa 01-08-2011 11:53 PM

Non-Asians copying 'Asian' styles/fashion tendencies
 
Alright, so this has been on my mind for a while. I'm all pro the freedom of styles and expressions.. But something that crossed my mind lately is how you all feel about 'white girls' or 'black girls' (a bit stereotypical here, I know) copying eg. the Japanese Gyaru style?

Something I've noticed a LOT-ALOTTA is how gyaru has spread like a disease (no offense, I like talking in pictures.. lol) all over Europe. Especially Finland has been captivated by the style.. As part of the beauty blogger community, I've noticed SO many Finnish girls dressing up Gyaru style with HUGE lenses and HUGE lashes.. Being Caucasian comes with big eyes already..

Just some examples of the girls - I'm not trying to hate on anyone; these are SIMPLY examples of what I'm talking about..





So, what do you guys think?
Is it a bit too much or super cool?

I know that huge lashes and lenses are part of the whole 'gyaru' thing, but personally I'd probably tone it down a bit - I'm white, lol. I already got big-ass eyes.


Sorry about the big photos.. >_<"

nobora 01-09-2011 12:14 AM

My personal opinion is that they got to tone it down. I mean if you have big eyes already why make them bigger. They kind of remind me of Lady Gaga's eyes in one of her videos.

WingsToDiscovery 01-09-2011 12:37 AM

I think it's stupid. I know a lot of people who refer to them as "awfuljin."
It's really funny you mentioned this because I was leading a tour through Harajuku and Shibuya yesterday, and right outside of 109 there were these two gaijin girls totally dressed up in like gothic-lolita outfits, with the parasols and stuff. I was interviewed on TV earlier in the day as I was ordering a Turkish kebab, and the same crew was now filming these girls and asking them questions. They really just try WAY too hard.

I was also in Akiba around Christmas and there were a group of gaijin maids advertising their maid cafe. They were really dumpy and totally not something I would ever pay for, but if that's what some Japanese guys are into then I can't knock them for it. It was just so awful seeing these unattractive gaijin girls trying to be maids. I'm scarred.

(I should note that I'm talking about gaijin who try and do all Japanese styles in particular, not necessarily gyaru)

NanteNa 01-09-2011 03:56 PM

I think it's great that they feel inspired - but I'd probably (for my particular style, if I were to try this) tone it down to fit my own features. Asians have small eyes and small irises. They use circle lenses to make them appear bigger.. white girls using circle lenses is like.. chicks on crack or something. I'm not saying that they shouldn't EVER wear them.. I've seen a few girls who pulls it off even tho they're not Asian.. But when they start praising the 16,5mm. circle lenses - dude.. I get worried >_<"

Suki 01-09-2011 04:37 PM

It's like a bunch of drugged up little creatures came out of purikura pictures. Applying mascara on lower eyelashes doesn't look good, unless your goal is to make yourself look like a furless human panda. Definitely not my thing.

WingsToDiscovery 01-10-2011 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 845689)
Sometimes I wear fake lashes but I've yet to try circle lenses.



As a cosplayer and a fan of Lolita, I wouldn't say it's an asian only thing or only looks good on asians. Lolita looks weird to the outside world whether you are asian or not, and most people hate it, so the ethnicity doesn't really bother me.

My eyes are pretty small and I have very thin eyelids so wearing lashes and probably wearing circle lenses wouldn't look too weird for me, but I'd never go so big that you can't see the whites of my eyes, that'd look weird.

As for the first pictures, the girl is pulling a stupid face which doesn't help, lol. Think it might be a little too much on the black eyeshadow.

Second girl looks like she's put a bit too much on and it's made her eyes water or something?

This is my eyeliner/lash look, no contacts. Don't think it looks too OTT but some people might disagree:

I don't necessarily mind cosplay; if people want to look like idiots for a day it's fine by me.
But as I always say, and I can never drill this into people's heads enough, there will always be exceptions to everything. There may be girls (like yourself) who have certain inherent physical traits that allow you to adopt the style a bit more easily, and can pull certain looks off. But most of the time it's dumpy white girls who try and cram themselves in extra small school girl outfits and cake on make up. They think it's "kawaii" or whatever, but it's not.

spoonybard 01-10-2011 12:50 AM

.....and yet, there are some fashions in Japan that were actually created in Western countries. Not the gyaru thing, but since some people are talking about other fashions as well..... Asians are not the first race to spike their hair, plaster white make up all over their exposed skin, dress entirely in black clothes.....

I don't really like the gyaru look, no matter who does it. I don't mind them as people, but their look tends to make my eyes resemble theirs when they are using circle lenses, and so it's completely against my will, which makes my case different. XD XD XD But seriously, just ignore it. The person is what matters, not what they look like. On another note, which is related to this: YouTube - Mameshiba 19 - Fava Bean [with English annotations] XD XD XD

JohnBraden 01-10-2011 12:58 AM

I don't like how they look.... a little creepy for me....

WingsToDiscovery 01-10-2011 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonybard (Post 845725)
.....and yet, there are some fashions in Japan that were actually created in Western countries. Not the gyaru thing, but since some people are talking about other fashions as well..... Asians are not the first race to spike their hair, plaster white make up all over their exposed skin, dress entirely in black clothes.....

Hey, I'll be the first to tell you I don't like it when the Japanese pop culture scene is put on a pedestal for no reason. But we're not talking about western adopted fashions in Japan; we're talking Japanese fashions in the west.

RealJames 01-10-2011 02:29 AM

In the first two pics, the first one, is way overboard.
Even in Japan it's just too much.
It's not attractive, it's kind of unnerving.

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 845689)

This is nice. Honestly it looks good, my gf thinks so too.

Neffiline 01-10-2011 05:46 PM

I think it's really just about your own personal preferences and style of choice. I agree that some of them over do it and it just looks odd, but other girls I find are very good at the whole "gyaru-gal" thing.

I follow this girl in Finland, she has her own blog and seems to call herself a gyaru. She has a great sense of style and I love everything she wears and does with her hair/make-up/nails/etc. You can see for yourself here: HauteKeikk.com

She wears contacts, fake eye lashes and extensions just like your typical gyaru in Japan, and still manages to make it look good (at least to me she does, I really don't see anything wrong with her style) even though she's a "westerner".

Personally I think it's alright if you adapt it to your own style and body. Some girls over do it, yes, but some western girls can often over do it with western styles and clothes also anyway...

NanteNa 01-10-2011 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 845689)
Sometimes I wear fake lashes but I've yet to try circle lenses.



As a cosplayer and a fan of Lolita, I wouldn't say it's an asian only thing or only looks good on asians. Lolita looks weird to the outside world whether you are asian or not, and most people hate it, so the ethnicity doesn't really bother me.

My eyes are pretty small and I have very thin eyelids so wearing lashes and probably wearing circle lenses wouldn't look too weird for me, but I'd never go so big that you can't see the whites of my eyes, that'd look weird.

As for the first pictures, the girl is pulling a stupid face which doesn't help, lol. Think it might be a little too much on the black eyeshadow.

Second girl looks like she's put a bit too much on and it's made her eyes water or something?

This is my eyeliner/lash look, no contacts. Don't think it looks too OTT but some people might disagree..

I wear lashes as well - own two pairs of circle lenses.. They're only half a millimeter larger than my own iris on each side - which isn't that much..
I'm not gonna go into non-Asian cosplay, cause you and I will never agree.

HAHA, yeah stupid faces ftw it seems. Of course they're doing the typical Asian poses.. but oh well.. it just looks ridiculous to me.

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 845721)
I don't necessarily mind cosplay; if people want to look like idiots for a day it's fine by me.
But as I always say, and I can never drill this into people's heads enough, there will always be exceptions to everything. There may be girls (like yourself) who have certain inherent physical traits that allow you to adopt the style a bit more easily, and can pull certain looks off. But most of the time it's dumpy white girls who try and cram themselves in extra small school girl outfits and cake on make up. They think it's "kawaii" or whatever, but it's not.

EXACTLY! This is VERY common with especially cosplay - I'm not gonna hate on 'fat' girls or anything, but when you're an XXL trying to squeeze into a size 0 Lolita Outfit to be kawaii - ugh.. it's just not pretty. Same goes for the gyaru/hime looks.. if you already HAVE big eyes, big lashes, then I personally think it's gonna look crazy if you emphasize something that doesn't need to be emphasized.

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Originally Posted by Neffiline (Post 845808)
I follow this girl in Finland, she has her own blog and seems to call herself a gyaru. She has a great sense of style and I love everything she wears and does with her hair/make-up/nails/etc. You can see for yourself here: HauteKeikk.com

She wears contacts, fake eye lashes and extensions just like your typical gyaru in Japan, and still manages to make it look good (at least to me she does, I really don't see anything wrong with her style) even though she's a "westerner".

Personally I think it's alright if you adapt it to your own style and body. Some girls over do it, yes, but some western girls can often over do it with western styles and clothes also anyway...

She DEFINITELY pulls it off in my opinion. I follow her too... now I do, that is. : D Thanks for the link!

NanteNa 01-31-2011 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 845814)
There are crap cosplayers from both - I'm on Cure Cosplay, so I see all the sh** Japanese cosplayers too. Guess that's why I'm less biased about it.

Well it's not so much the cosplayers (as they only do it occasionally).. it's more about Western 'gals' who try to pull this off.. while in reality they look kinda crazy. lol

iPhantom 01-31-2011 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 845814)
There are crap cosplayers from both - I'm on Cure Cosplay, so I see all the sh** Japanese cosplayers too. Guess that's why I'm less biased about it.

Western cosplayers FTW. Generally better body curves. The problem with western cosplay is that it's not that mainstream and not many hot girls do it (they think it's stupid etc.) while in Japan and Asian countries it's more mainstream so yeah. Here's what happens when these hot western gals decide to cosplay:



And most KAWAIIII asian cosplays you see are shooped. I've been a cosplay stalker for like 5 years and I've seen my fair share of ugly ones. Some have terrible skin and shoop it to look like she is some angel. The worst is when they shoop the face... yknow.

WingsToDiscovery 01-31-2011 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 849027)
Western cosplayers FTW. Generally better body curves. The problem with western cosplay is that it's not that mainstream and not many hot girls do it (they think it's stupid etc.) while in Japan and Asian countries it's more mainstream so yeah. Here's what happens when these hot western gals decide to cosplay:

And most KAWAIIII asian cosplays you see are shooped. I've been a cosplay stalker for like 5 years and I've seen my fair share of ugly ones. Some have terrible skin and shoop it to look like she is some angel. The worst is when they shoop the face... yknow.


IMO, your example of western cosplay is a bit misleading. Granted, I don't watch anime or read manga, but there's really nothing about this particular girl that would lead one to believe she was cosplaying had they seen this picture at random. If I saw this girl on Facebook or something, I would just kind of be like, "Well, she has kind of an edgy look going for her...and whoever took the picture has a decent camera..." (sorry, photography dork:D ) but I wouldn't assume it was cosplay. The reason for this is because she's not outwardly overemphasizing a particular Japanese look or trying to emphasize Japanese physical characteristics that she doesn't possess as a caucasian female.

Ryzorian 01-31-2011 05:14 AM

Western Kospaly to me is Star Trek or Star Wars conventions, and persoanlly I can only stand so many Klingon Darth Vaders. This other stuff your talking about I have no real opion on, as I haven't seen it much.

MMM 01-31-2011 05:44 AM

How is Western Cosplay different from non-Western Cosplay? It is dressing up as characters you like, whether they be based in titles from the West or titles from Asia, I don't think it makes much of a difference.

Danny Choo dresses as a stormtrooper in Tokyo. That's OK, right?

Ryzorian 02-01-2011 05:06 AM

It might be partly the idea that, least ways in Japan, alot of the Cosplay is off of anime, while in the US it's either Live action movies/shows or Comics. So there is a style difference between the two. Still, I think Triple M is right, it doesn't matter who is dressed like Darth Vader or Nuruto. Some folks will look good reguardless and some won't.

NanteNa 02-01-2011 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 849072)
There are plus points and negatives about both. I just think we shouldn't bash one race and praise another when it comes to the same hobby, as people always do. I don't think my race should get in the way of being a good cosplayer, if I ever get to that level. Sorry this is going offtopic.

As for gal fashion, it ends up being western people, being Japanese people, simulating western people (because gal is a pastiche of that culture). Somewhere a long the line it can go wrong, but it doesn't mean that it ALWAYS goes wrong.

I'm not bashing any race. I'm simply asking for you guys' opinion on it. I will agree that there are shitty versions of both, but I wasn't really referring to Cosplay, because that's of no real interest to me (no pun intended). I'm talking about gyaru, vkei, hime and lolita.. all the 'lifestyles' that are popular in Japan.

Simply just wondering if you think people should stick to 'what they are' instead of trying to be someone/something that they're not.. I feel very inspired by gyaru fashion - indeed - but I'd never wear nails, extensions and that much makeup on a daily just to fit into a box whose content I happen to like. It's not just about being INSPIRED by these styles.. it's about copying them down to the tiniest little detail.

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 849027)


And most KAWAIIII asian cosplays you see are shooped. I've been a cosplay stalker for like 5 years and I've seen my fair share of ugly ones. Some have terrible skin and shoop it to look like she is some angel. The worst is when they shoop the face... yknow.

I totally saw this one coming. -sigh-

Ojamajoz 02-01-2011 08:56 PM

It bothers me about how when westerners adopt Japanese styles, we seem to get annoyed by that, but when the Japanese adopt western styles, even if it's hideous, we don't seem to care as much. I don't know. Maybe Japanese people bully other Japanese people who imitate western people too much? I dunno. But the word "awfuljin" sounds disgustingly snobbish to me.

Sitron 02-01-2011 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 845689)
Sometimes I wear fake lashes but I've yet to try circle lenses.



As a cosplayer and a fan of Lolita, I wouldn't say it's an asian only thing or only looks good on asians. Lolita looks weird to the outside world whether you are asian or not, and most people hate it, so the ethnicity doesn't really bother me.

My eyes are pretty small and I have very thin eyelids so wearing lashes and probably wearing circle lenses wouldn't look too weird for me, but I'd never go so big that you can't see the whites of my eyes, that'd look weird.

As for the first pictures, the girl is pulling a stupid face which doesn't help, lol. Think it might be a little too much on the black eyeshadow.

Second girl looks like she's put a bit too much on and it's made her eyes water or something?

This is my eyeliner/lash look, no contacts. Don't think it looks too OTT but some people might disagree:


I think you look beautiful MissMisa. Don't care about the haters and keep posting more pics. GO GO!

MMM 02-02-2011 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLastFortnight (Post 849284)
I like more the western cosplayers, there a lot of manga and anime characters that don't look Asian at all with big eyes green or blue, blond or red hair and white skin. A good cosplayer is the one that can portray the character as close as possible, so you can recognise it right away. Of course, if the character has Asian looks an Asian cosplayer would be more appropriate.

Still, I think some Asian cosplayers and models in general, try too hard to look extremely cute, some of them look like children even though they're on their twenties! It's kind of creepy and I'm not into Asian girls anyway. And the picture eePhantom posted is awesome!

Cartoon characters generally don't really look like ANY race. I think we just make associations because of the place of origin.

Ryzorian 02-02-2011 04:39 PM

Anime characters have a large varity of hair color, eye color and hair styles so people could tell the different characters apart. Least orginally that was the reason. Anime has a lot more "western" characters in them than before, where they state what country they hailed from. ( Britain and France seem to be the big two right now)Though the names useually are the real key.

As to fashion, I never really cared, I just wear what works for what I'm doing. Performance is more important than look to me. Sides, Midwestern look is T-shirt ( useually with some logo), Bluejeans and tennis shoes. Not really alot of "catwalk" material here.

Ojamajoz 02-02-2011 06:08 PM

Hey MisaMisa, when I look at your photo, all I see is a girl wearing regular make-up. What makes it gyaru? I mean, it looks good, but I don't understand how it's gyaru. It just looks like regular makeup. I don't know much about gyaru, though, so I'm probably wrong.

KyokoUK 02-04-2011 03:14 AM

I love cosplay. I also think Japanese, Chinese, Korean's make the best cosplayers. Now that is my opinion and its worth about the value of the type its written in. I love to watch, see, photo good gosplayers and I think that if western, eastern, northern whatever -ern, If they want to wear big lenses, dress in Lolita goth or otherwise, it is simply their business and none of us have the right to give them grief over it. As long as they are not harassing you, harming anyone or doing it for racist purposes then...if you don't like it...don't look. Good Goddess almighty, don't we have something that doesn't pick somebody's personal space, to talk about?

Cayla 02-12-2011 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MissMisa (Post 849526)
Ojamajoz, please don't be offended, but I guess if you can't spot the difference you are quite possibly male? Haha.

Aside from that, the differences are subtle. I'm not fully gyaru, but my makeup does resemble the gyaru style. Like I said though, gyaru just doesn't look gyaru on white girls even though the makeup is the same.

But the makeup is gyaru, and here's why:

- The eyelashes are fake. They are quite noticably not real, unless you aren't particularly observent.

- The inside of the eyes are lined with white eyeshadow. This is a common technique Gyaru's use to make the eyes appear wider.

- There is a thick layer of eyeliner along the top with a small flick to make the eyes appear wider.

- The most noticable and unusual thing about my makeup is that the bottom of the line doesn't go all the way across. The line is much thicker towards the corner of the eye and finishes just over 3 quarters of the way across the bottom of the eye.

- I also have more blusher than normal, there.

It probably looks all the same to most people not familiar with the style. This is how I normally wear my makeup, with the exception of the fake eyelashes, and girls always notice it's different to the norm.

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