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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 789529)

Completely raw, fresh from a chicken slaughtered (usually) that day.

There is chicken rated for raw consumption, and chicken that is not. Pretty much anything you would find at a supermarket is way into the "not" territory even in Japan. Imported chicken is never approved. The type that is rated for raw consumption is much more expensive due to a difference in rearing and processing the chicken. Near our house is a place that processes chicken for raw consumption. Every morning, a truck shows up with cages of living chickens. You ask for a chicken and they slaughter and pluck it (or rather, steam the feathers off) and hand it over within minutes. The actual butchering is done back at the restaurant.

Having had a relative work in a poultry processing plant in the US... I would NEVER EVER EVER eat raw chicken there. There is a reason they tell you to make sure you cook it through and through in the US.

This brings back memories NY san:)

Actually, now you explain, that's pretty much what it appeared to be.

This old friend of mine who was very rich, and well known at all small entertainment establishments in Kyoto, was treated as "special" by all establishments.

When we were served the complimentary Chicken Sashimi, the feeling was special as if it was a really special gesture.

The small Izakaya, would have had by memory six bar stools, very small, and very traditional Kyoto style.

The husband and wife ran the place.

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 789529)

Having had a relative work in a poultry processing plant in the US... I would NEVER EVER EVER eat raw chicken there. There is a reason they tell you to make sure you cook it through and through in the US.

Interesting related story- my art teacher used to live the academic year in Japan and then go home to the USA the rest of the time and wherever she went, her cat went to. In Japan, he would go absolutely berserk for chicken skins. Cooked, raw, whatever, he would have them even if you'd rather he didn't. In America? Wouldn't so much as come close enough to sniff the stuff. Wouldn't even eat it cooked.

So I dread to think what might have been putting him off.

Ozkai is pretty much on the money.

If you met a japanese friend and they invited you over for sunday lunch,
would you "respect" them more because they cooked a traditional sunday roast?

or would you be a bit dissapointed that instead of experiencing some genuine Japanese culture, of home cooked food (from a packet of course :P ) ,
you got the kind of fare you could get in any pub?

@pockymepink

yes i understand what your saying, however the last 2 lines of your post apear to agree whith what you are quoting.
(also i have dealt with this many many times, my favourite is when people show the number 2 with the back of thier hand facing out which to anyone from the uk is rather rude)
you can tell if someone is offending you or not, thats not hard.
Basic social skills are required for this, as i am sure you are aware.

@Salv

It's not about respect. Has nothing to do with respect.
its about being yourself.

worked example:
you meet meet someone from a culture that waves with the left.

outcome 1.
Both parties try to apease the others culture so he waves with the right, you wave with the left. both look like silly social chameleons

outcome 2.
You wave with the right, he waves with the left. You understand that you are from different cultures. The genuine meaning of the greeting is understood by both.

i chose not to address the other oxymoronic points made,
hmm yes ignorance is a sweet flavour isn't it?
if only i was still a teenager and knew everything in the world :rolleyes:

@MMM

point 1: As stated, citizen of the world.
culture is no longer defined by where we are from, or who our parents are.
it is also becomeing increasingly less inluenced by where we grow up/live
though that is not to say that all is moving towards the world of a single tribe

this is occationally refered to as Globalisation, you may have heard of it??

point 2: shhh, your wrong.
there is a big difference between going out of your way to offend people, and not going out of your way to apease and be liked/respected.
If you need to bend over backwards and use your knoledge of local customs and ettiquete to foster respect (to the point that if you did not you would not get respect), then thats respect is pretty shallow and probably only exists in your own mind.

point 3: it happens everyday, on more than 3 occasions.
i refer you to guns and roses (peace be upon them)
"Live and let die"

point 4: this kind of self proclaiming tripe deserves no response but you can have one any way.

the response is: LOLZ @ U :mtongue:

as for butchering food,

was in maccy D's the other day.
saw South American tourist take pickle out of burger.
have these people no shame!!!!

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Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy (Post 789754)

Ozkai is pretty much on the money.

lol A borderline spammer supporting yet another.

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Originally Posted by masaegu (Post 789759)

lol A borderline spammer supporting yet another.

hark!

you cut me with your rapier like wit.

where did you learn to make such clever comments without even reading what your commenting on.

your knee jerk reactions based on the lowest common denominator and less than basic understanding of the topics under discussion are a true gift to us all!

Edit=
you also missed the most important point in the whole post.
PICKLE OUT OF BURGER
thats even worse than putting ketchup on sushi, (hmmm i wonder what that would taste like?)

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I would respect them for going out of their way to make me a meal that, if they didn't know me, I would enjoy more, in their eyes. Since there are many people that do not enjoy a Japanese meal.

I come from a highly Arabian background, and our culture is a lot about being a host. We find it very important to make the person very comfortable when we're hosting for them, and so we try all in our power to make them feel comfortable. If that means making them a meal, that would cater to them more, then so be it.

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@Salv

It's not about respect. Has nothing to do with respect.
its about being yourself.

worked example:
you meet meet someone from a culture that waves with the left.

outcome 1.
Both parties try to apease the others culture so he waves with the right, you wave with the left. both look like silly social chameleons

outcome 2.
You wave with the right, he waves with the left. You understand that you are from different cultures. The genuine meaning of the greeting is understood by both.

Firstly: We're talking about food here. There's a difference.

But I'll take the bait, since you've spent the time setting it out.

Outcome 1, would be better in many cultured peoples eyes (Note: Cultured), and you would gain respect for going according to the culture if you are in their country.

If you are, however, speaking about appeasing to cultures when you're in, let's say America, then that's a totally different thing. America's culture, is a mixed pot of different stews. You would live the American way there.

I am talking about, let's say, if you went to a Japanese restaurant, or Japan. Then following the cultures is the way to go. To not do so, is disrespectful, and arrogant.

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i chose not to address the other oxymoronic points made,
hmm yes ignorance is a sweet flavour isn't it?
if only i was still a teenager and knew everything in the world :rolleyes:

Your arrogance will one day be your undoing.

To presume yourself above cultures is wrong. I just pray that you don't come across someone you slight, that will take it up to you with force.

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 789772)

I would disrespect them for going out of their way to make me a meal that, if they didn't know me, I would enjoy more, in their eyes. Since there are many people that do not enjoy a Japanese meal.

I come from a highly Arabian background, and our culture is a lot about being a host. We find it very important to make the person very comfortable when we're hosting for them, and so we try all in our power to make them feel uncomfortable. If that means making them a meal, that would cater to them more, then so be it.

Firstly: We're talking about food here. There's a difference.

But I'll take the bait, since you've spent the time setting it out.

Outcome 1, would be better in many cultured peoples eyes (Note: Cultured), and you would gain respect for going according to the culture if you are in their country.

If you are, however, speaking about appeasing to cultures when you're in, let's say America, then that's a totally different thing. America's culture, is a mixed pot of different stews. You would live the American way there.

I am talking about, let's say, if you went to a Japanese restaurant, or Japan. Then following the cultures is the way to go. To not do so, is disrespectful, and arrogant.

Your arrogance will one day be your undoing.

To presume yourself above cultures is wrong. I just pray that you don't come across someone you slight, that will take it up to you with force.

Go and take a rest, PLEASE, for the sake of all of us!

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Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 789520)

Im pretty sure chinese people don't stab their food in china either.
Trust me, I'm chinese. They use chopsticks too.

Trust me i know but the fact that i asked the guy "do you know how to use chopsticks?" and his answer was YES i do as he proceeded to stab the living hell out of his food blew my mind. Also the comment he made about the Chinese was basically one of those ignorant sterotypes every Asian you see is Chinese.

It was actually painful to watch.

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 789772)

I just pray that you don't come across someone you slight, that will take it up to you with force.

You'll take the bait??!?

im responding to your post (that had nothing to do with food), that makes you the bait.

also I have been to the middle east (I like the way you say you are highly arabian background, does that mean your parents smoke alot of hash?)

cultural differences, lets see.
in most of the world, when you offer someone a can of drink you open the can and pour it into a glass.

in the middle east the culture is to give the person a closed can and glass.

if you actually go to the middle east. if you are invited into someones home you will always be offered food, (must refuse 3 times, then say yes)
and drink. and if the drink is in the form of a can in "polite" society you will be offered the can sealed.

anyway, i sense you are just trolling now. you show your world view to be small. well done

also, you miss the cutical point.

BURGER PICKLE??!!!

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Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy (Post 789786)

You'll take the bait??!?
im responding to your post (that had nothing to do with food), that makes you the bait. <snip>
anyway, i sense you are just trolling now. you show your world view to be small. well done
also, you miss the cutical point.

<sigh> arrgoant newbies eventually do get responses that are not necessarily "taking the bait". Unless you consider rude, inconsiderate and generally crass attitudes being voiced your "bait". Eventually this tripe you are posting does get most of us to respond.

But you need to do a little more research, Daf(t). Salavanas is not one who trolls, nor is his world view small. From what some of us know of him, he probably was paring down his world to something a small minded person would be sure to comprehend.

The TRUE "critical point" has been missed by no one. It is your expounding of self-centered, arrogance that (as Salvanas pointed out) will someday place you in conflict with someone who responds to a cultural offense with violence. Which, in the case of willful disregard for the sensibilites of others, usually deserves Darwinian elimination.