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FantasyQueen 03-02-2008 01:20 AM

Help with their alphabet/s
 
Can anyone post me smth like a picture of kanji and the rest of their letters? I mean,they have more than one,right? Hiragana,kanji etc.. So?Anyone? Cuzz I wanna learn or at least have some knowlege about it. <3

Masato 03-02-2008 01:23 AM



The top is the pronunciation, the middle is the Hiragana, the bottom is the Katakana. There are hundreds of Kanji, so there's no use in posting a picture of them. As for trying to learn these, it would be a lot easier if you made flashcards for each symbol, but I would highly recommend investing in an online course or textbook.

auran 03-02-2008 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FantasyQueen (Post 416161)
Can anyone post me smth like a picture of kanji and the rest of their letters? I mean,they have more than one,right? Hiragana,kanji etc.. So?Anyone? Cuzz I wanna learn or at least have some knowlege about it. <3

ill teach you some japanese just pm me
and there's 4 main ways to read japanese
they are hirigana, katakana, kanji, and romaji

auran 03-02-2008 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Masato (Post 416163)


The top is the pronunciation, the middle is the Hiragana, the bottom is the Katakana. There are hundreds of Kanji, so there's no use in posting a picture of them. As for trying to learn these, it would be a lot easier if you made flashcards for each symbol, but I would highly recommend investing in an online course or textbook.

i agree with making flash cards thats how i learned it

kunitokotachi 03-02-2008 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Masato (Post 416163)

There are hundreds of Kanji, so there's no use in posting a picture of them.

Don't you mean thousands of kanji?

Masato 03-02-2008 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kunitokotachi (Post 416167)
Don't you mean thousands of kanji?

I guess. I never really knew how many Kanji there were, because I hardly know my hiragana and katakana. XD

FantasyQueen 03-02-2008 01:31 AM

Oh may,tnx a lot <33

And I'm sending you pm ;) <3

auran 03-02-2008 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kunitokotachi (Post 416167)
Don't you mean thousands of kanji?

well kanji originated from chinese, and that u will need to know about 940 kanji to read the tokyo city paper

kunitokotachi 03-02-2008 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by auran (Post 416176)
well kanji originated from chinese, and that u will need to know about 940 kanji to read the tokyo city paper

Actually, you need around 2000 to read a Japanese newspaper.

FantasyQueen 03-02-2008 01:49 AM

I knew that. It's so hard ;_;

kunitokotachi 03-02-2008 01:55 AM

Kanji can be extremely difficult for some but you have to do your best.

anrakushi 03-02-2008 02:08 AM

it is great everybody is trying to help but lets try not spread too much incorrect information. luckily kunitokotachi has been correcting along the way ^^ also i think auran just forgot to type the 1 in front of the 940, making it 1940 ^^

That hiragana and katakana table is lacking... you can find complete one below:
Hiragana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Katakana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i don't particularly agree with flash cards, i agree with repetition in writing them over and over. this method taught me both of these in 2 weeks during my lunch break and this time only at work.

as for kanji.. well if you can find a table with all of them listed then that would be a huge table.. one of my dictionaries i use has 12,000+ kanji in it. the 大漢和辞典 (comprehensive chinese-japanese dictionary) has over 50,000 individual kanji entries and many many more compound entries. of course as kunitokotachi said you need a little less than 2000 to meet the standard list you should know.

it seems daunting but i assure you once you get stuck into them you start to understand it a lot better and things come together nicely. those first few characters might be hard but as you move along it gets easier even though the characters may be more complex.

Masato 03-02-2008 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416197)
That hiragana and katakana table is lacking... you can find complete one below:
Hiragana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Katakana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is true. The chart I posted isn't complete. However, it seemed to be easier for me to learn the basics of each, and then learn those compound characters next. I think you should just go by the chart I posted, then once you have those down, go ahead and finish up the rest with the information that anrakushi posted.

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416197)
i don't particularly agree with flash cards, i agree with repetition in writing them over and over. this method taught me both of these in 2 weeks during my lunch break and this time only at work.

As for this, everyone learns a different way, so FantasyQueen, I recommend you try both ways and see which method works for you!~ And again, I highly recommend getting a textbook or taking a course. They are well worth the money.

Good luck! I'm sure you can do it!

auran 03-02-2008 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416197)
it is great everybody is trying to help but lets try not spread too much incorrect information. luckily kunitokotachi has been correcting along the way ^^ also i think auran just forgot to type the 1 in front of the 940, making it 1940 ^^

That hiragana and katakana table is lacking... you can find complete one below:
Hiragana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Katakana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i don't particularly agree with flash cards, i agree with repetition in writing them over and over. this method taught me both of these in 2 weeks during my lunch break and this time only at work.

as for kanji.. well if you can find a table with all of them listed then that would be a huge table.. one of my dictionaries i use has 12,000+ kanji in it. the 大漢和辞典 (comprehensive chinese-japanese dictionary) has over 50,000 individual kanji entries and many many more compound entries. of course as kunitokotachi said you need a little less than 2000 to meet the standard list you should know.

it seems daunting but i assure you once you get stuck into them you start to understand it a lot better and things come together nicely. those first few characters might be hard but as you move along it gets easier even though the characters may be more complex.

yeah i actually did

Masato 03-02-2008 02:28 AM

Oh, and don't forget! I haven't learned much Katakana, so I don't know about that, but there are differing versions of the Hiragana with certain characters; one version for typing, and one version for handwriting!

kunitokotachi 03-02-2008 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Masato (Post 416214)
Oh, and don't forget! I haven't learned much Katakana, so I don't know about that, but there are differing versions of the Hiragana with certain characters; one version for typing, and one version for handwriting!

What I think Anrakushi was trying to point out about your hiragana and katakana table is the fact that you left out the characters with the (") and circle. For example, が、ざ、ば、ぱ。You also don't have the kya, kyu, kyo, etc. You know, きゃ、きゅ、きょ

anrakushi 03-02-2008 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Masato (Post 416214)
Oh, and don't forget! I haven't learned much Katakana, so I don't know about that, but there are differing versions of the Hiragana with certain characters; one version for typing, and one version for handwriting!

would you care to elaborate on this? are you sure you are not mistaking it with the subtle differences in the style of writing the character, regardless of computer or paper?
e.g. in english:
a
a

Masato 03-02-2008 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kunitokotachi (Post 416218)
What I think Anrakushi was trying to point out about your hiragana and katakana table is the fact that you left out the characters with the (") and circle. For example, が、ざ、ば、ぱ。You also don't have the kya, kyu, kyo, etc. You know, きゃ、きゅ、きょ

Oh, I know. It's just that when I was taught, I learned the basic versions first, and then learned those versions next. It came to me a bit easier that I would have expected.

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416297)
would you care to elaborate on this? are you sure you are not mistaking it with different ways to write the character, regardless of computer or paper?
e.g. in english:
a
a

Maybe you are right. When I was taught the Hiragana, I was told that the different versions were because one was for type and the other handwriting. Examples including:

anrakushi 03-02-2008 05:14 AM

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there is nothing wrong with learning the 'basic versions' first, but you should have stated when giving the list that it is not complete because a hell of a lot of sounds in the language were missing from there. no one is going to try and learn them ALL at once anyway, you do it in stages.

as for character differences i am wondering who taught you this? because you should know that both those styles can be typed on a computer as in the picture attached below. they are both correct in written form, in fact my written form i use your typed そ and your hand-written き. my japanese friends mix them up also.

auran 03-02-2008 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416357)
there is nothing wrong with learning the 'basic versions' first, but you should have stated when giving the list that it is not complete because a hell of a lot of sounds in the language were missing from there. no one is going to try and learn them ALL at once anyway, you do it in stages.

as for character differences i am wondering who taught you this? because you should know that both those styles can be typed on a computer as in the picture attached below. they are both correct in written form, in fact my written form i use your typed そ and your hand-written き. my japanese friends mix them up also.

well i learned by learning the romaji version and went from there

auran 03-02-2008 05:43 AM

and i write in the typed version because i never learned the written version

anrakushi 03-02-2008 05:47 AM

did you miss what i'm saying though? as far as i understand there is no such thing as a written version and a typed version. they are just styles of writing.

on your other point i highly discourage anyone from learning romaji. except for the purpose of typing. it is not a good way to stydy Japanese.

auran 03-02-2008 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416370)
did you miss what i'm saying though? as far as i understand there is no such thing as a written version and a typed version. they are just styles of writing.

on your other point i highly discourage anyone from learning romaji. except for the purpose of typing. it is not a good way to stydy Japanese.

well i learned it with the hiragana and katakana to help me kno wut im learning to say

FantasyQueen 03-02-2008 10:07 AM

Hell,I have to enable japanese letters on my pc already >>

I have a picture of hiragana and I wrote it on paper for practicing. It is somehow difficult for me to write them as they are on the pic,but I'm trying to remember more and more letters. And I'll get the dictionary and try the both ways you told me and thank you for everything,cuzz I rlly wanna learn Japanese<3

anrakushi 03-02-2008 10:51 AM

if you are serious about learning then please go take a beginners course. it will really help. i'm all for self teaching but i think you should get some grounding in a beginners course. you need to hear native pronunciation etc as well.

FantasyQueen 03-02-2008 12:56 PM

Yeah I will,just to pass my exsams and than I'll have more time for it. Cuzz now I have to sign in high school I want first. But I wanted to have some knowlege about Japanese,before I go on cours :)

anrakushi 03-02-2008 01:04 PM

no worries :) good luck with your goal. it is a difficult one but apply yourself and you will make it ^^

Masato 03-02-2008 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416357)
there is nothing wrong with learning the 'basic versions' first, but you should have stated when giving the list that it is not complete because a hell of a lot of sounds in the language were missing from there. no one is going to try and learn them ALL at once anyway, you do it in stages.

lol. ok. you got me. I guess I was just too rushed to post something that I couldn't find a complete list that had both the Hiragana and Katakana and Romaji. >.>

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 416357)
as for character differences i am wondering who taught you this? because you should know that both those styles can be typed on a computer as in the picture attached below. they are both correct in written form, in fact my written form i use your typed そ and your hand-written き. my japanese friends mix them up also.

Very interesting. I was taught by a non-native teacher at BYU when I took the online class, so she obviously may have been mistaken herself when she learned the various Hiragana. In the college-level Japanese class I will be taking this year, the professor is a native Japanese. I'm sure she'll be fixing a few things that I was taught wrong. <.<

Masato 03-02-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FantasyQueen (Post 416476)
Yeah I will,just to pass my exsams and than I'll have more time for it. Cuzz now I have to sign in high school I want first. But I wanted to have some knowlege about Japanese,before I go on cours :)

And yeah, good luck! I'm sure that you will be able to go far if you just simply apply yourself, just like anrakushi said!

auran 03-02-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Masato (Post 416787)
And yeah, good luck! I'm sure that you will be able to go far if you just simply apply yourself, just like anrakushi said!

yep i bet u will

50 bucks says she learns to speak fluent japanese

anrakushi 03-02-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Masato (Post 416782)
Very interesting. I was taught by a non-native teacher at BYU when I took the online class, so she obviously may have been mistaken herself when she learned the various Hiragana. In the college-level Japanese class I will be taking this year, the professor is a native Japanese. I'm sure she'll be fixing a few things that I was taught wrong. <.<

well i doubt you will be corrected on your characters because they are correct regardless of the style you write ^^ anyway good luck with your studies as well.

Masato 03-02-2008 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 417001)
well i doubt you will be corrected on your characters because they are correct regardless of the style you write ^^ anyway good luck with your studies as well.

haha, thanks!

CarleyGee 03-04-2008 04:41 AM

When I'm trying to learn these, I bought these water pads from Japan so I could practice over and over without wasting paper, because the water evaporates. You should buy your own paintbrushes or something.
I found it off JBox.

james1254 03-05-2008 07:44 PM

http://http://www.guidetojapanese.org/hiragana_ex.html
hiragana practice exercises

http://http://www.guidetojapanese.org/katakana_ex.html
katakana practice exercises

hope this helps

phishn37 03-05-2008 07:51 PM

If you're trying to learn basic kanji, this page really helped me ~ ! The diagrams are very easy to follow and shows you how to draw the kanji well.

Kanji Lessons

FantasyQueen 03-06-2008 04:03 PM

thank you very very much!! for now i've only learn how to spell Ruki in hiragana :lol: <33


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