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CrimsonNataku 01-23-2007 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayame90 (Post 28133)
Hey, ur confusing me.

Sorry. In Japanese there are various ways to conjugate a particular verb in order to create a sentence with a specific meaning.

In other words, you start with the dictionary form of a verb. It is called this because that is the form of the verb you find in the dictionary. For the sake of making it easier to explain, let's stick with "To close" or shimau.

Once we know the dictionary form of a verb, we can then conjugate it so it means what we want it to mean:

I close the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimasu.
I closed the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimashita.
I don't close the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimasen. (You can also use the informal conjugation which is shimawanai desu)
I didn't close the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimasen deshita. (Which you can also say as shimawanakatta desu [informal])

For each different meaning, you need to conjugate the verb differently. The sentences above are examples of the four basic verb conjugations; Affirmative, Past Affirmative, Negative, and Past Negative.

Now, when I said:

Sono hon wo shimatte kudasai.

I was using the "-te" verb conjugation of the verb shimau. "Te" form is usually used as a gentle command. In other words, the sentence means "Please close that book."

Does this help?

SamuraiAlchemistNinja 01-23-2007 04:28 PM

There is also something called "potential tense" which is used to show that the thing or person has the ability, or potential, to do something. So, using shimau, to put it in potential form:
Watashi wa hon wo shimaeru.
I can close the book.

Ayame90 01-23-2007 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonNataku (Post 28170)
Sorry. In Japanese there are various ways to conjugate a particular verb in order to create a sentence with a specific meaning.

In other words, you start with the dictionary form of a verb. It is called this because that is the form of the verb you find in the dictionary. For the sake of making it easier to explain, let's stick with "To close" or shimau.

Once we know the dictionary form of a verb, we can then conjugate it so it means what we want it to mean:

I close the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimasu.
I closed the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimashita.
I don't close the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimasen. (You can also use the informal conjugation which is shimawanai desu)
I didn't close the book
Watashi wa hon wo shimaimasen deshita. (Which you can also say as shimawanakatta desu [informal])

For each different meaning, you need to conjugate the verb differently. The sentences above are examples of the four basic verb conjugations; Affirmative, Past Affirmative, Negative, and Past Negative.

Now, when I said:

Sono hon wo shimatte kudasai.

I was using the "-te" verb conjugation of the verb shimau. "Te" form is usually used as a gentle command. In other words, the sentence means "Please close that book."

Does this help?


Oh, now i get what ur saying.:D
Thanx for the makin' it much more understandable.

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CrimsonNataku 01-23-2007 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuraiAlchemistNinja (Post 28181)
There is also something called "potential tense" which is used to show that the thing or person has the ability, or potential, to do something. So, using shimau, to put it in potential form:
Watashi wa hon wo shimaeru.
I can close the book.

And there's also imperative, volitional, conditional, provisional, passive, causative, conjectural... the list goes on and on ^_^;

But for those who are starting out, understanding dictionary form, affirmative, past affirmative, negative, and past negative is crucial before you start learning the other tenses and forms.

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enyafriend 06-13-2007 06:34 AM

Goodness! Get off the post. You're in the wrong thread.

SamuraiAlchemistNinja 10-07-2007 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonNataku (Post 28221)
And there's also imperative, volitional, conditional, provisional, passive, causative, conjectural... the list goes on and on ^_^;

But for those who are starting out, understanding dictionary form, affirmative, past affirmative, negative, and past negative is crucial before you start learning the other tenses and forms.

That's very true...there are so many different conjugations, but potential I thought was unique, because we really don't have that kind of tense in english, do we? Then again, there are many tenses in english that japanese doesn't have...ah, maybe we'll get into that -- a while from now -- ne?

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Top-Level Concepts in Japanese Grammar
Numbers
Nouns and Pronouns
Verbs, Part I
Verbs, Part II
"Adjectives"
Particles
If, When, and Other Uncertainties
Sentence Structure
Politeness Levels
Reading and Writing Japanese
Feedback on English
Various Other Observations



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