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kawaiitori 07-31-2008 11:15 AM

hiragana, katakana or kanji?
 
I am just starting to learn japanese and know a bit of hiragana and I was wondering if I should carry on with that or go to katakana or kanji instead?

which is most commonly used?

please help if you can ^_^

Henbaka 07-31-2008 11:58 AM

First learn both hiragana and katakana, as you can learn them pretty fast and they're not that hard. Then sink your teeth into Kanji...

Learning kanji without knowing hiragana is both weird and kinda unrealistic.

Hackimoto 07-31-2008 01:51 PM

I started by learning the Katakana because I knew it was the first thing they learn is school. Then I moved on to the Hirigana which is just slighty harder I think. So If you already know them then Katakana should be easy. It may feel redundant but it's worth it to know even though it's not used as commonly. In fact I sometimes almost forget a few of them because I see them a lot less often. Kanji is a continuous struggle, and as I've said to others before the best thing to do is learn the radicals which are the most basic word forms which are combine together to make bigger words. sort of like english words such as 'circumnavigation'. It's a big word made up of little words.
Here are some sites which may help you. I wish you good fortune in your studies.


C:\Users\Public\Documents\learning\Kanji Radicals.mht
C:\Users\Public\Documents\learning\Kanji by Grade.mht

allie2590 07-31-2008 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackimoto (Post 552064)
C:\Users\Public\Documents\learning\Kanji Radicals.mht
C:\Users\Public\Documents\learning\Kanji by Grade.mht

Those are addresses for files on your computer. They don't work on the internet.

godwine 07-31-2008 02:17 PM

A lot of literature will have hiragana above the Kanji to show its pronounciation, so you do need to master Hiragana. Katakana are used to "translate" a lot of borrowed English words, names and places, so you will have to know that too, otherwise you won't know where you are going or location and such

SSJup81 07-31-2008 02:42 PM

Personally, I feel that katakana is more difficult to get than hiragana, but as it was mentioned, you should definitely learn these first before trying kanji.

Oh,and a good way of getting both, is to constantly write them out, something I need to do myself. It's sad that I still have trouble with remembering katakana characters.

Kiyuge 07-31-2008 03:06 PM

I think you should stick with learning Hirigana first then move on to Katakana after that and save Kanji for last.

jml5083 07-31-2008 03:51 PM

I learned Hiragana first, then Katakana. Either way, get one or the other down before you do the other. I think of it as Capital and Lower Case although I know that's not how they function. But it's two ways to write the same syllable.

Once you have both of those down, then focus on Kanji. But I personally never put much effort into that... probably because of the sheer number of them and because I was told not even most Japanese remember ALL the kanji -- hence hiragana written over kanji, I suppose.

james1254 07-31-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jml5083 (Post 552117)
I learned Hiragana first, then Katakana. Either way, get one or the other down before you do the other. I think of it as Capital and Lower Case although I know that's not how they function. But it's two ways to write the same syllable.

Once you have both of those down, then focus on Kanji. But I personally never put much effort into that... probably because of the sheer number of them and because I was told not even most Japanese remember ALL the kanji -- hence hiragana written over kanji, I suppose.

no one knows ALL the kanji (unless god exists) but most japanese people can at least recognise the 1945 joyo kanji at least

sutocorporation 08-01-2008 08:36 PM

Yeah, I think it is right:)

kawaiitori 08-02-2008 11:12 AM

thanks people! ^_^

Hackimoto 08-02-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackimoto (Post 552064)
C:\Users\Public\Documents\learning\Kanji Radicals.mht
C:\Users\Public\Documents\learning\Kanji by Grade.mht

Sorry, I forgot that's what happens when I load up pages I had saved. I didn't even notice.:o
Try this
Kanji Radicals 部首
http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/ja...njigrade.htm:D

Pimpzilla 08-07-2008 11:23 PM

It would be wise to us all three. Katakana is generally used for foreign words, and hiragana is used as a basis for pretty much everything else. Kanji generally takes the place of some of the hiragana in reading material (my sensei says that this is mainly for speed reading), but hiragana is combined with the kanji for normal words and as verb stems. An example of an ordinary word would be お守り (meaning 'charm' which utilizes both hiragana and kanji). An example of a verb would be 忘れる (meaning 'to forget' which uses the hiragana to conjugate the verb). It's a lot to put up with, but if you want to learn the language you will just have to make your peace with it.

*Eh, I just read all the posts and Hackimoto said pretty much what I had to say, sorry!*

mandalina 08-08-2008 08:38 AM

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