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Yuusuke 04-30-2009 02:03 PM

The Expression see you later
 
I've been taking Japanese for awhile now
and I really want to clarify something

the phrase "ja ne" or "jya ne"
is spelled like this in romanji yes?

i think the first one is correct.
but this one person who I was talking to said this

"u are super wong , learn japanese before ,
in first place , in japanese dont exist "J"
GYA NE is the correct form to express .

GYA NE... ;)"

(youtube has a bunch of morons i think)

but isn't it spelled ja ne in romanji?

DJnohara 04-30-2009 02:40 PM

See you later in Romaji is: Jya matta or Jya ne

duo797 04-30-2009 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuusuke (Post 707531)
I've been taking Japanese for awhile now
and I really want to clarify something

the phrase "ja ne" or "jya ne"
is spelled like this in romanji yes?

i think the first one is correct.
but this one person who I was talking to said this

"u are super wong , learn japanese before ,
in first place , in japanese dont exist "J"
GYA NE is the correct form to express .

GYA NE... ;)"

(youtube has a bunch of morons i think)

but isn't it spelled ja ne in romanji?

You're right, it's ja ne じゃね. If memory serves, though, I believe nagoyankee has said various times that even though it's written じゃね(ja ne) you'll usually hear native speakers elongate the 'a' and say じゃあね(jaa ne).

Of course, ja ne is just one of the many ways you can say that. Because ja is a compact(?) form of dewa (では) you can say something like 'dewa mata' if you want to be a tad more formal. The professor that teaches our japanese class almost always ends with 'dewa mata ashita' ではまた明日(あした) which means something like 'Well then, until tomorrow' or 'see you tomorrow'.

So, whoever told you that 'gya ne' was correct and that there is no 'j' sound in japanese was pretty wrong. Gya ne is gibberish and there is most assuredly a 'j' sound.

SHAD0W 04-30-2009 03:41 PM

pro tip: FORGET ABOUT ROMAJI!!!!!!

then you wont have this problem!!

darksyndrem 04-30-2009 04:51 PM

Yes, ever since I learned hiragana/katakana I've hated romaji lol

chryuop 04-30-2009 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHAD0W (Post 707560)
pro tip: FORGET ABOUT ROMAJI!!!!!!

then you wont have this problem!!

Agree 100000%.

KyleGoetz 04-30-2009 07:05 PM

Shad0w is 100% correct.

MMM 04-30-2009 07:22 PM

Keep in mind Japanese don't use J or G when writing in Japanese, so it's a little like arguing how the French would spell ボンジュア。

Yuusuke 04-30-2009 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHAD0W (Post 707560)
pro tip: FORGET ABOUT ROMAJI!!!!!!

then you wont have this problem!!


duh, but not everyone spells in hiragana and katakana, if u have a program that would do that, then it would be lovely

MMM 04-30-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuusuke (Post 707668)
duh, but not everyone spells in hiragana and katakana, if u have a program that would do that, then it would be lovely

Everyone who speaks Japanese does.

Yuusuke 04-30-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 707672)
Everyone who speaks Japanese does.

well i don't DX

chryuop 04-30-2009 08:09 PM

Think is if you have to use an alphabet which is not Japanese then speak another language.
If I decided to learn arabic first of all I would learn their alphabet. If I decided to learn Russian I would learn cyrillic...

Don't expect a foreign culture to adapt to you, you are the one interested in it, thus you get close to it.


Edit: I haven't even got close to know 1/4 of Japanese Grammar, yet I already know all kana and 240 kanji (all readings and meanings). Learn to set priority when you study something.

MMM 04-30-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuusuke (Post 707673)
well i don't DX

Then now seems like a good time to start learning.

Yuusuke 04-30-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 707675)
Then now seems like a good time to start learning.

I qkno how to write and hiragana and katakana.

I just want to qkno if there is a program for the PC

jesselt 04-30-2009 08:12 PM

Romaji is very hindering.

I couldn't even understand "ashita" when someone said it on the last page until I saw 明日 because I read it like you would read English - A Shi Ta.

You can download a Japanese word processor very easily by just searching for one on Google, or there's also a sticky at the top of this forum about how to install Japanese on your computer.

chryuop 04-30-2009 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesselt (Post 707679)
Romaji is very hindering.

I couldn't even understand "ashita" when someone said it on the last page until I saw 明日 because I read it like you would read English - A Shi Ta.

You can download a Japanese word processor very easily by just searching for one on Google, or there's also a sticky at the top of this forum about how to install Japanese on your computer.

You know? It is true. I used to feel so dumb when I would meet a phrase written in Romaji. I couldn't understand much of it even tho I might know exactly what it means. I stopped reading romaji in forums a long time ago.

It is weird since you think you should recognize coz it is written exactly like when you hear it spoken. Instead something in the brain hinder from undestanding it...

KyleGoetz 04-30-2009 09:16 PM

Yuusuke,

Every major OS in use right now natively supports Japanese: OSX and Windows XP (so presumably Vista does, too) come pre-bundled with Japanese. Linux can be made to support it as well.

From there, just use any word processor you like. OpenOffice is free and legal. Microsoft office is either free and illegal or unfree and legal.

I'll take free and legal, personally.

chryuop 04-30-2009 10:30 PM

And if you have problems with the operative system look for something called NJStar communicator online...it is wonderful. There is also NJStar WP which is great, a WP with a huge dictionary inside (unfortunately very expensive).

Nathan 04-30-2009 10:53 PM

XP requires you have your XP CD. If "don't have your CD", then you've pirated your OS, and I have no reason to help you.

Vista simply requires you to activate the support for the characters.


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