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hinata2 08-06-2009 03:53 PM

what is the best way to remember kanji
 
what is the best way to learn and remember kanji hiragana is easy for me to remember.

alanX 08-06-2009 05:25 PM

You should master English first.

hinata2 08-06-2009 05:32 PM

i have im really good at english

GTJ 08-06-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 757428)
You should master English first.

lol you're a prick, man. :P

Remembering kanji is different for everybody. Some just "get" it, others need massive amounts of mnemonics. Start out with flashcards and see if memorization works for you. It depends on how old you are; if you're still just emerging into your tween years, you can probably still do it. However, adults are taught to think logically and rote memorization isn't always going to accomplish anything.

One good way is to study a kanji, learn its roots and meanings, as well as all the kunyomi and onyomi, and then write it in the correct stroke order 100 times. Then go to the next one.

alanX 08-06-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hinata2 (Post 757435)
i have im really good at english


komitsuki 08-06-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hinata2 (Post 757380)
what is the best way to learn and remember kanji hiragana is easy for me to remember.

Memorize them. Don't complain.

KyleGoetz 08-06-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 757457)
Memorize them. Don't complain.

This is the only correct answer possible. There are no tricks to learning kanji. Japanese school kids spend like 7 years learning 2000.

Nathan 08-06-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GTJ (Post 757439)
lol you're a prick, man. :P

You know you were thinking the same thing.

If you're not using proper punctuation (or in this case, any at all) its pretty hard to take her argument seriously.

Komitsuki has it spot on. Its just like any other form of studying.

GTJ 08-06-2009 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 757516)
You know you were thinking the same thing.

If you're not using proper punctuation (or in this case, any at all) its pretty hard to take her argument seriously.

Komitsuki has it spot on. Its just like any other form of studying.

I was thinking it but my buddy alanX just went ahead and said it XD

Yeah... there isn't much else than just memorizing. The things I mentioned are methods to HELP memorization, but there's no way around it. KyleGoetz is exactly right; those kids spend most of their childhood learning more than 2,000 kanji, and even full-grown adults have a hard time with it.

ThaDuke 08-06-2009 08:01 PM

I just associate the kanji in some way that reminds me of something else.

Easy :D

Nathan 08-06-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaDuke (Post 757552)
I just associate the kanji in some way that reminds me of something else.

Easy :D

Please correct your signature to:

「こんにちは!わたしはドゥキです!」

If not:

Edit: BAD
今日は!私はドゥキです!」
-->
「こんにちは!私はドゥキです!」

Please.

alanX 08-06-2009 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 757575)
今日

I've never seen a Japanese native write こんにちは as 今日は.

Nathan 08-06-2009 08:45 PM

Indeed. Getting my wires cross here at work.

Proof that one should not just auto accept the auto-kanji.

ThaDuke 08-06-2009 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 757575)
Please correct your signature to:

「こんにちは!わたしはドゥキです!」

If not:

Edit: BAD
今日は!私はドゥキです!」
-->
「こんにちは!私はドゥキです!」

Please.

Why は instead of わ? Isn't it spelled 'KonnichiWa' not 'KonnichiHa'?

komitsuki 08-06-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaDuke (Post 757585)
Why は instead of わ? Isn't it spelled 'KonnichiWa' not 'KonnichiHa'?

You don't perfectly pronounce the way it is in Japanese. Especially the topic marker, -wa. It MUST be -ha in writings.

Nathan 08-06-2009 09:07 PM

May as well ask why 'ph' is pronounced like 'f', and not 'pu-h'.

As komitsuiki said, は is pronounced 'わ' when being used as a particle.

Just like へ is pronounced 'え' when used as a particle.

Miyavifan 08-06-2009 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 757581)
I've never seen a Japanese native write こんにちは as 今日は.

Is that kyoo wa?

Nathan 08-06-2009 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 757606)
Is that kyoo wa?

Indeed it is. And Alan quoting it makes my mistake forever visible! =p

Miyavifan 08-06-2009 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 757611)
Indeed it is. And Alan quoting it makes my mistake forever visible! =p

hey.... one more Kanji I understand!

but yeah... that's no good.

ThaDuke 08-07-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 757587)
You don't perfectly pronounce the way it is in Japanese. Especially the topic marker, -wa. It MUST be -ha in writings.

So only when writing, not when speaking.

I haven't been this confused since I started learning Japanese..:confused:

Miyavifan 08-07-2009 12:18 AM

Yes, only when writing.

I still don't understand it. I just take it as one of the things I will only ever know, but just not understand.

ThaDuke 08-07-2009 12:29 AM

Hey, I'm here to learn! :o

KyleGoetz 08-07-2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaDuke (Post 757552)
I just associate the kanji in some way that reminds me of something else.

Easy :D

When you get past a couple hundred kanji, this technique will become decreasingly useful at a dramatic rate.

Miyavifan 08-07-2009 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaDuke (Post 757657)
Hey, I'm here to learn! :o

oh. I'm not sure if you are meaning I should be more helpful?

KyleGoetz 08-07-2009 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 757660)
oh. I'm not sure if you are meaning I should be more helpful?

No. "I'm here to learn" is a popular English phrase meaning "Don't worry if you are not being very helpful; I'm here to learn, not to judge others." Sort of.

Seanus 08-07-2009 07:24 AM

I think the best that most foreigners can hope for is association. Use techniques of Tony Buzan or Lazarov. I remembered hayashi (forest) because it looked like a forest. Some are logical that way. Link a given kanji to a place. Otherwise, most kanji will always appear as indecipherable bushes.

Miyavifan 08-08-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 757726)
No. "I'm here to learn" is a popular English phrase meaning "Don't worry if you are not being very helpful; I'm here to learn, not to judge others." Sort of.


ah, ok.

well, I know English phrases, I've just not heard that one.

ThaDuke 08-08-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 757660)
oh. I'm not sure if you are meaning I should be more helpful?

No. No. You are most helpful, Miyavifan. I didn't mean that in any other way than, I actually AM here to learn Japanese! Any help I can get is most useful!

The problem I have with the English language is that it is very easy to misunderstand someone from being serious or being sarcastic. This is a very common mishap that can turn a good conversation sour. Especially is you are from a different region of the country.

I'm originally from North Dakota, which is in itself, a big difference from Alabama. There are some things that I say that, down here, people take as sarcasm. Like when I reply, "Sure" to someone. A lot of people here, take as sarcasm. Like what I really meant was, "Sure, WHATEVER". Most people here prefer to hear, "Yes" or "No".

It's weird I know.

plizman 08-09-2009 01:29 AM

GTJ is right, learning the roots and meanings will help you out a lot. Even if you encounter a kanji that you haven't studied, you'll be a able to pick up on a meaning if you know the character's root or the characters that make it up.

Something that helps me to remember kanji is to read short articles or paragraphs and then rewrite them over and over.

Another thing that has helped is studying Chinese, but that takes a bit of time.

Seanus 08-09-2009 01:58 PM

Learning Chinese helps but it can also mislead. I had the good luck of having one Chinese guy in my free conversation class with Japanese people. They drew the kanji on the board and he gave the Chinese equivalent. Sometimes they were the same but often not.

Often, you just have to use the identification patterns that God blessed you with :)

SeraphimMephistopheles 08-09-2009 06:15 PM

nihon kara kita tomodachi ga irimasu ka? dattara, kanji no yomikata to anki shikata wo anata ni osieru you ni nihon kara kita tomodachi ni itta hou ga ii to omoimasu. takusan no kanji wo anki suru tame ni onrain de benkyou suru no ga suki desu.


do you have friends from japan? if so, you should ask your japanese friends to teach you how to read and memorize kanji. i go online to learn a lot of kanji

mummim 08-13-2009 09:37 PM

I am having troubles with Kanji. :mad: I can't remember the stroke sequences.


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