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VeggieAngel 09-26-2009 02:25 PM

Tattoo ?
 
Hello,

I have a question about a tattoo that I want to put on my arm. It's the name of my son. This is the tattoo.



And this is another one. Its almost the same. But the middle one is different. Why is that ?? because it is the same name.



It is made by someone from a site don't know the name anymore.
What I want to know is what it says the tattoo because I do not know if it is true that's the name of my son.

I hope someone can help ???
Thanks in advance for the effort :)

Sorry for my english.

Regards Angelique

OzukakiBurasuki 09-26-2009 06:21 PM

I'm sorry, but don't do this.

It's really dishonorable to certain cultures when you tattoo their language onto you without even knowing the concept.

If you really must know why, it is because when デ (de) is pronounced for a longer period of time, instead of adding イ (i), it is also possible to use ー to prolong the sound from デ (de) to デイ (dei). It's essentially the same pronounciation, but デー (dee [dei]) would be preferred.

I'll just say this again to be exact. PLEASE do not tattoo this on your arm. I've already met someone who's done this before and it was really degrading and disappointing. (besides the fact that I ownd him in DDR >_>)

P.S. Is your son's name Jayden, Jaden, or Jaydon? That's what the katakana says.

Miyavifan 09-26-2009 06:40 PM

normally I don't have issues with this sort of thing. But... this time I do. I think you should get his name in English. since it's not a Japanese name.

NanteNa 09-26-2009 08:42 PM

I'll have to agree with former replies. Getting your son's name tattooed in Katakana is just weird if you guys aren't of Japanese heritage what so ever. Of course it's all up to you, but to me it's just strange.

Raiha 09-26-2009 09:56 PM

I guess it's slightly better then using random chinese characters, but i don't see why you're doing it in japanese. if you don't understand the language, then what is the significance? the answer is that asian languages carry an air of mystique for most westerners, and it makes people feel more refined and educated than getting a tatoo in a language they actually know.

i recommend this sight to anyone who is thinking about getting tatted in chinese or japanese, it might change your mind
Hanzi Smatter 一知半解

KyleGoetz 09-27-2009 04:03 AM

I feel like I have died and gone to heaven with all these "DON'T DO IT, IT'S DISRESPECTFUL" replies. :) Thank you, everyone!

OP, don't do it.

IcewindDude 09-27-2009 07:50 AM

Well! Let me bring you back to earth, Kyle. Someone's gotta do it! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzukakiBurasuki (Post 773690)
It's really dishonorable to certain cultures when you tattoo their language onto you without even knowing the concept.

Why would this be "dishonorable"? That sounds like something out of some medieval movie. Btw, you do know how often the Japanese "dishonor" the English language they are supposedly taught in schools right? It makes no difference whether it's English put on 50% of merchandise in Japan, or some few people putting Japanese on their body elsewhere. Whenever we see those weird English phrases or words from the Japanese, we just laugh and think the Japanese are weird, vice-versa is true also.

There's no more meaning other than it's how you'd pronounce his name with the extremely limited sounds of Japanese.

And the concept? There's nothing fancy here. There's the best pronunciation and then there's the Japanese symbols (HA!) to do it. That's all there is to that concept.

What you get out of these tattoos are curiosity and questions. Most tattoos are not paid any attention to. With the exception of Japan, few people around the world know any Japanese. Really, this tattoo could be in anything as long as most people do not initially know what it means. As of right now, Japan happens to be pretty popular in modern culture, so it's no surprise that people often look to Japanese symbols (HA!) first. It may be strange, but that's the point!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiha (Post 773745)
I guess it's slightly better then using random chinese characters, but i don't see why you're doing it in japanese. if you don't understand the language, then what is the significance? the answer is that asian languages carry an air of mystique for most westerners, and it makes people feel more refined and educated than getting a tatoo in a language they actually know.

i recommend this sight to anyone who is thinking about getting tatted in chinese or japanese, it might change your mind
Hanzi Smatter 一知半解

I'll have to agree with one thing for sure... Make sure you are getting what you mean to get. Research it yourself and don't rely on some tattoo artist to make it up for you. That site is hilarious though!

"his initials, requesting the tattooist to "write them in Chinese symbols / characters / ideographs / hieroglyphs / pictographs / whatever.""

ROFL! Initials? Seriously?

In any case, it's true, unknown languages, especially the complex and pictographic Chinese writing, are "mystical" or whatever to those who don't understand them. But face it, if you've seen enough of them and understand so many of them like you want the tattooed to do, that "air of mystique" disappears! They become just words.

Knowing only the meaning, which no one else around you would know, is the significance. However, you may get weird(er) stares while in Japan or China, but whatever, you're just some crazy foreigner anyways. :D

Now I'm going back to that hilarious site to read more tattoos gone wrong. Then I'll head on over to the equally hilarious Engrish.com.

JayAyeAre 10-08-2009 05:20 AM

if you like it Veggie get it. Don't listen to most of these post discouraging you from doing so.

KyleGoetz 10-08-2009 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre (Post 775838)
if you like it Veggie get it. Don't listen to most of these post discouraging you from doing so.

This is akin to encouraging a smoker to up it to two packs a day if they like smoking.

TalnSG 10-08-2009 12:59 PM

I have Kanji as part of one of my tattoos, so it is not that I disapprove of using a foreign language when you get a tattoo. But I do think there are a few guidelines that should be considered.

1) are you sure that if a person reads it, it will convey the meaning you intend? And that goes for those who can read it and those to whom it is merely artwork.

2) Because of #1 you need to have a substantial correlation between the writing (kanji, katana, hiragana, hangul, or whatever script) and the total meaning of the image being tattooed.

Mine is the name of my spirit totem and is not only a nickname I have had for decades, but the name of one of the images that is part of the art work. If it were written incorrectly, the total meaning of the image would be distorted at best - more likely a source of ridicule.

JackIsLost 10-08-2009 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzukakiBurasuki (Post 773690)
I'm sorry, but don't do this.

It's really dishonorable to certain cultures when you tattoo their language onto you without even knowing the concept.

If you really must know why, it is because when デ (de) is pronounced for a longer period of time, instead of adding イ (i), it is also possible to use ー to prolong the sound from デ (de) to デイ (dei). It's essentially the same pronounciation, but デー (dee [dei]) would be preferred.

I'll just say this again to be exact. PLEASE do not tattoo this on your arm. I've already met someone who's done this before and it was really degrading and disappointing. (besides the fact that I ownd him in DDR >_>)

P.S. Is your son's name Jayden, Jaden, or Jaydon? That's what the katakana says.

it's not really the "de" part that's prolonged, but rather the "ee" part of Jeedon. Jeedon = Jeidon because there are almost no double "ee" in japanese writing. Jeidon then becomes Je-don because it emphasizes the double e. so to sum it up, i believe the 2nd one is correct.
it's your body, if you are happy with the end result by all means get the tattoo. it's like telling someone that smoke cigarettes that they are dishonoring "something". it's not so much dishonorable, but it's rather silly. i for one, lean towards the "please don't do it" side.

JackIsLost 10-08-2009 09:09 PM

I messed up editing a quote

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcewindDude (Post 773839)
Well! Let me bring you back to earth, Kyle. Someone's gotta do it! :D



Why would this be "dishonorable"? That sounds like something out of some medieval movie. Btw, you do know how often the Japanese "dishonor" the English language they are supposedly taught in schools right? It makes no difference whether it's English put on 50% of merchandise in Japan, or some few people putting Japanese on their body elsewhere. Whenever we see those weird English phrases or words from the Japanese, we just laugh and think the Japanese are weird, vice-versa is true also.

this dude is absolutely right, my friends sister wore a shirt that said COCKUS, i laughed so hard.

hippykiller1 10-08-2009 09:32 PM

Hanzimatter

This is an awesome website for people who go with Chinese characters for tattoos. Seriously. I laughed long an hard. Then I sent it to some of my friends who speak Chinese and they had an even better laugh.

I agree with what a lot of people are saying... If its a name that uses the Roman alphabet, just stick with that.

JayAyeAre 10-08-2009 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 775887)
This is akin to encouraging a smoker to up it to two packs a day if they like smoking.

And that is "akin" to encouraging a person with many wrinkles to not smile anymore; so they wouldn't create more wrinkles.

If you want to decide what is right and wrong for an individual by all means do so..
Just make sure your perfect and all the decisions you make are always the right ones.

Sangetsu 10-09-2009 01:41 AM

Your body is yours to do with as you please, but our bodies are the only things we have which are truly ours, and therefore they deserve some respect.

I've always thought that it was bizarre that people get tattoos with the names of their loved ones. Why? Do you think your son will only believe you love him because you have his name tattooed to your arm? You should do what most people do, carry his picture in your wallet.

Getting a tattoo in Japanese is rather ironic as in Japan tattoos are only common on gangsters, criminals, and lower-class people. In Japan people are taught that their bodies are sacred, and should be respected. The gangsters are widely known to respect nothing and no one, while criminals and lower class people are thought to be too stupid to know better.

koikurasu 10-09-2009 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcewindDude (Post 773839)
Well! Let me bring you back to earth, Kyle. Someone's gotta do it! :D



Why would this be "dishonorable"? That sounds like something out of some medieval movie. Btw, you do know how often the Japanese "dishonor" the English language they are supposedly taught in schools right? It makes no difference whether it's English put on 50% of merchandise in Japan, or some few people putting Japanese on their body elsewhere. Whenever we see those weird English phrases or words from the Japanese, we just laugh and think the Japanese are weird, vice-versa is true also.

There's no more meaning other than it's how you'd pronounce his name with the extremely limited sounds of Japanese.

And the concept? There's nothing fancy here. There's the best pronunciation and then there's the Japanese symbols (HA!) to do it. That's all there is to that concept.

What you get out of these tattoos are curiosity and questions. Most tattoos are not paid any attention to. With the exception of Japan, few people around the world know any Japanese. Really, this tattoo could be in anything as long as most people do not initially know what it means. As of right now, Japan happens to be pretty popular in modern culture, so it's no surprise that people often look to Japanese symbols (HA!) first. It may be strange, but that's the point!



I'll have to agree with one thing for sure... Make sure you are getting what you mean to get. Research it yourself and don't rely on some tattoo artist to make it up for you. That site is hilarious though!

"his initials, requesting the tattooist to "write them in Chinese symbols / characters / ideographs / hieroglyphs / pictographs / whatever.""

ROFL! Initials? Seriously?

In any case, it's true, unknown languages, especially the complex and pictographic Chinese writing, are "mystical" or whatever to those who don't understand them. But face it, if you've seen enough of them and understand so many of them like you want the tattooed to do, that "air of mystique" disappears! They become just words.

Knowing only the meaning, which no one else around you would know, is the significance. However, you may get weird(er) stares while in Japan or China, but whatever, you're just some crazy foreigner anyways. :D

Now I'm going back to that hilarious site to read more tattoos gone wrong. Then I'll head on over to the equally hilarious Engrish.com.

I mean he has clearly thought it through, he isn't just some guy that is like "HURR DURR I want Japanese on mah body to feel cool" And I think it shouldn't matter if your not of Japanese decent if it has special meaning to you then by all means get it.

KyleGoetz 10-09-2009 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre (Post 775965)
And that is "akin" to encouraging a person with many wrinkles to not smile anymore; so they wouldn't create more wrinkles.

If you want to decide what is right and wrong for an individual by all means do so..
Just make sure your perfect and all the decisions you make are always the right ones.

Bullcrap. I will decide what is right and wrong for a person when I am asked to be an accomplice in the act.

JayAyeAre 10-09-2009 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 776057)
Bullcrap. I will decide what is right and wrong for a person when I am asked to be an accomplice in the act.

i don't know what you mean by "accomplice in the act"; it seems i should though because it is bold. Which act are you being an accomplice in?

MMM 10-09-2009 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre (Post 776069)
i don't know what you mean by "accomplice in the act"; it seems i should though because it is bold. Which act are you being an accomplice in?

i think he means being asked to give advice about a tattoo.

JayAyeAre 10-09-2009 05:12 AM

The OP asked what was the difference between the 2 names she posted; not asking people their personal opinion about the tattoo she is going to put on her own body.
In that matter Kyle cannot mean "accomplice in the act"
and ultimately shouldn't decide what is right and wrong for people based on his opinions unless he is perfect himself..

MMM 10-09-2009 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre (Post 776077)
The OP asked what was the difference between the 2 names she posted; not asking people their personal opinion about the tattoo she is going to put on her own body.
In that matter he cannot mean "accomplice in the act".

It's a forum, Jay, not a service. Every new thread will subject to opinions.

JayAyeAre 10-09-2009 05:39 AM

I understand. It is hypocritical though to decide what is right and wrong for an individual based on your personal opinion if you are not perfect yourself.

So again I understand peoples personal opinions are going to be put in just like Kyles, I just think many of the people discouraging the OP from getting a tattoo on her own body are idiotic and hypocritical.

What is right to you might be wrong to someone else, vise versa.

In the end she was asking what's the difference between the two names, not peoples personal thoughts about her future tattoo.

So lets make sure we're all perfect before we decide what is right and wrong for a person without ever living a second in their shoes; Of course you can still decide even if your aren't perfect, but a hypocrite is what you are now.

KyleGoetz 10-09-2009 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre (Post 776077)
The OP asked what was the difference between the 2 names she posted; not asking people their personal opinion about the tattoo she is going to put on her own body.
In that matter Kyle cannot mean "accomplice in the act"
and ultimately shouldn't decide what is right and wrong for people based on his opinions unless he is perfect himself..

Sorry, I'm a lawyer. I'm using "accomplice" the only way I know how: "a person who joins with another in carrying out some plan"

Beyond that, I enjoyed your statement of what is right and wrong when you were telling me that I shouldn't decide what is right and wrong. :)

MMM 10-09-2009 05:46 AM

No one needs to be perfect to give an opinion. I understand you want to defend the rights of people to get tattoos, and people can put whatever they want to on their bodies. No one is denying that. Kyle is giving an informed opinion about tattoos and Japan.

KyleGoetz 10-09-2009 05:52 AM

I want to apologize to everyone: I'm always the one at the center of tattoo threads being a jerk to the OP. I feel very strongly about this, and I wish to convey my conviction to others. I try not to be such a jerk about it, but I often fail.
m(__)m

JayAyeAre 10-09-2009 05:55 AM

Q. How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?
A. His lips are moving.

^joke in good ol' Texas

KyleGoetz 10-09-2009 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre (Post 776086)
So lets make sure we're all perfect before we decide what is right and wrong for a person without ever living a second in their shoes; Of course you can still decide even if your aren't perfect, but a hypocrite is what you are now.

Again, you're exercising poor logic.

1. You said you cannot judge a person's actions unless you are perfect.
2. You judged my actions.
A contradiction.

I think you don't know what "hypocrite" means.

KyleGoetz 10-09-2009 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre (Post 776092)
Q. How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?
A. His lips are moving.

^joke in good ol' Texas

Again with the judging.

PS I live in Texas. I'm aware of the joke. :) Lawyer jokes are funny.

I'm done with this thread.


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