JapanForum.com  


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
(#1 (permalink))
Old
SceptileMaster's Avatar
SceptileMaster (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 240
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: UK
Good Japanese counter resource? - 01-08-2010, 09:50 PM

I am in search of a good Japanese counter table or spreadsheet (or something along those lines) that tells me the exceptions of different counters. I can't seem to find a good one. Does anyone know of a good one? Thanks for your time.
Reply With Quote
(#2 (permalink))
Old
snbzk's Avatar
snbzk (Offline)
JF Regular
 
Posts: 42
Join Date: May 2009
Location: USA
01-08-2010, 11:39 PM

counters [The Nihongoresources Grammar book]
Reply With Quote
(#3 (permalink))
Old
KyleGoetz's Avatar
KyleGoetz (Offline)
Attorney at Flaw
 
Posts: 2,965
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Texas
01-08-2010, 11:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SceptileMaster View Post
I am in search of a good Japanese counter table or spreadsheet (or something along those lines) that tells me the exceptions of different counters. I can't seem to find a good one. Does anyone know of a good one? Thanks for your time.
The rules of the Internet are:
1. check Google
2. check Wikipedia
3. ????
4. Profit!

Haha Your answer is given by #2: Japanese counter word - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good luck!
Reply With Quote
(#4 (permalink))
Old
SceptileMaster's Avatar
SceptileMaster (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 240
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: UK
01-08-2010, 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by snbzk View Post
Thank you very much for this.

Also I did google and wiki it but while wikipedia told me the counters it didn't tell me the exceptions in readings which is what I really wanted.

EDIT: I still can't find the readings for キロ. Also does this represent both kilogrammes and kilometres. I also can't find some others like, centimetres and so forth.

Last edited by SceptileMaster : 01-08-2010 at 11:59 PM.
Reply With Quote
(#5 (permalink))
Old
yuriyuri's Avatar
yuriyuri (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 232
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: UK
01-09-2010, 12:29 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SceptileMaster View Post
Thank you very much for this.

Also I did google and wiki it but while wikipedia told me the counters it didn't tell me the exceptions in readings which is what I really wanted.

EDIT: I still can't find the readings for キロ. Also does this represent both kilogrammes and kilometres. I also can't find some others like, centimetres and so forth.
I just want to remind you of that awesome site you bookmarked the other day:
http://www.alc.co.jp/index.html

Centimeters: “centimeters”の検索結果(194 件):英辞郎 on the Web:スペースアルク
(センチ)

As for readings, the link that KyleGoetz gave has some rules in it:
Japanese counter word - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And so does the link snbzk gave:
counters [The Nihongoresources Grammar book]

By these rules it goes:
いっきろ
にきろ
さんきろ
よんきろ
ごきろ
ろっきろ
ななきろ
はっきろ
きゅうきろ
じゅっきろ

And yes, it can be both kilogrammes and kilometres.
“キロ”の検索結果(964 件):英辞郎 on the Web:スペースアルク
Reply With Quote
(#6 (permalink))
Old
masaegu's Avatar
masaegu (Offline)
永遠の愛
 
Posts: 2,573
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Central Tokyo
01-09-2010, 12:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SceptileMaster View Post
EDIT: I still can't find the readings for キロ. Also does this represent both kilogrammes and kilometres. I also can't find some others like, centimetres and so forth.
キロ is always read キロ.

And yes, it can represent both. We shorten it because it's usually clear from the context which one is meant. When it isn't shortened, we use キログラム and キロメートル.
____

This is all in Japanese but I use the following for the counters. It's by far the most comprehensive list I've seen. You look for the exact "noun" that you want to count and it gives you the counter.

http://www.benricho.org/kazu/a_02.html
Reply With Quote
(#7 (permalink))
Old
yuriyuri's Avatar
yuriyuri (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 232
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: UK
01-09-2010, 12:50 AM

That's an awesome link masaegu!
*bookmarked*
Reply With Quote
(#8 (permalink))
Old
SceptileMaster's Avatar
SceptileMaster (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 240
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: UK
01-09-2010, 12:58 AM

Yes it tells me the rules but it doesn't tell which counters use each rule which is what I really need. Finding out the counters themselves isn't really the problem. For example, how would I know whether 一キロ would be read いっきろ or いちきろ without a resource?

Also thanks for the site masaegu.
Reply With Quote
(#9 (permalink))
Old
yuriyuri's Avatar
yuriyuri (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 232
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: UK
01-09-2010, 01:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SceptileMaster View Post
For example, how would I know whether 一キロ would be read いっきろ or いちきろ without a resource?
Because of the rules.
You don't use specific rules for specific counters, otherwise they wouldn't be rules at all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihongo Resource;
When followed by a counter starting with a syllable from the か—, さ— or た—column, いち becomes いっ
いち + きろ
きろ starts with a き so it falls under this rule, meaning we turn いち into いっ.

After a while of using the rules and learning the odd exception here and there (Some exceptions are listed in the wiki here), you will just know what to say automatically.
Reply With Quote
(#10 (permalink))
Old
MMM's Avatar
MMM (Offline)
JF Ossan
 
Posts: 12,200
Join Date: Jun 2007
01-09-2010, 01:31 AM

Except I have never heard anyone say いっきろ. I have only heard いちきろ.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




Copyright 2003-2006 Virtual Japan.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6