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manganimefan227 01-10-2010 08:13 PM

Hiragana + Kanji
 
Is it a bad idea to assume that all kanji is going to have it's Hiragana written beside it? Is it safer to just learn the kanji? Are there certain rules to writing hiragana next to Kanji?

Help is appreciated :pinkbow:



:whiteflag: I know I'm nooby and annoying, I'm just starting to learn Japanese . . .

Nathan 01-10-2010 08:27 PM

Hiragana, when written directly next to the kanji to present the pronunciation, is known as 'furigana'. And yes, leaning the kanji is the best course because you will not always have the furigana to assist you.

KyleGoetz 01-10-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by manganimefan227 (Post 794475)
Is it a bad idea to assume that all kanji is going to have it's Hiragana written beside it? Is it safer to just learn the kanji? Are there certain rules to writing hiragana next to Kanji?

Help is appreciated :pinkbow:



:whiteflag: I know I'm nooby and annoying, I'm just starting to learn Japanese . . .

Yes, it is a terrible idea. First of all, practically nothing on the Internet will have furigana because it's technologically impossible in HTML to do furigana.

Second, in the real world, furigana is really only used for "difficult" kanji.

Here is a scan of a page from the Asahi Shimbun: http://www.mudaijp.com/wp/wp-content...008/09/056.jpg

Notice that there are no furigana at all. This is just a regular newspaper in Japan. Imagine what something not written for general readership would be like.

manganimefan227 01-10-2010 11:04 PM

Yeah that's what I figured . . .Alright!! as Naruto would say (I am NOT a Narutard)

Time for some training!

-Runs off to practice-

SceptileMaster 01-11-2010 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 794511)
Yes, it is a terrible idea. First of all, practically nothing on the Internet will have furigana because it's technologically impossible in HTML to do furigana.

Second, in the real world, furigana is really only used for "difficult" kanji.

Here is a scan of a page from the Asahi Shimbun: http://www.mudaijp.com/wp/wp-content...008/09/056.jpg

Notice that there are no furigana at all. This is just a regular newspaper in Japan. Imagine what something not written for general readership would be like.

What are those red lines for?

Also is it my bad memory or should the 朝 in 朝日新聞 have longer lines than shown in that image?

KyleGoetz 01-11-2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794526)
What are those red lines for?

Also is it my bad memory or should the 朝 in 朝日新聞 have longer lines than shown in that image?

No idea what the red lines are for. And are you questioning whether the Asahi Shimbun is crappier at Japanese than you? ;)

I don't know what you mean by "longer lines."

All I can say is that the Asahi Shimbun is a highly respected Japanese publication.

KyleGoetz 01-11-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by manganimefan227 (Post 794518)
Yeah that's what I figured . . .Alright!! as Naruto would say (I am NOT a Narutard)

Time for some training!

-Runs off to practice-

I think if you feel the need to attribute a single English word to Naruto, you're probably obsessed with the show, notwithstanding your denial.

SceptileMaster 01-11-2010 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 794529)
No idea what the red lines are for. And are you questioning whether the Asahi Shimbun is crappier at Japanese than you? ;)

I don't know what you mean by "longer lines."

All I can say is that the Asahi Shimbun is a highly respected Japanese publication.

No, obviously I am not great at Japanese but I mean aren't the first two strokes in 朝 like a cross instead of a crown (like shown in the paper) or is it just a style thing? Just because sometimes things like that can make one kanji into a completely different one. I'm just asking to make sure I'm not getting kanji mixed up.

Formonitrile 01-11-2010 12:56 AM

Furigana isn't used all the time, so it's safer to learn the kanji from the get-go.
Personally, I use the furigana as a tool to learn the kanji x3

KyleGoetz 01-11-2010 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SceptileMaster (Post 794535)
No, obviously I am not great at Japanese but I mean aren't the first two strokes in 朝 like a cross instead of a crown (like shown in the paper) or is it just a style thing? Just because sometimes things like that can make one kanji into a completely different one. I'm just asking to make sure I'm not getting kanji mixed up.

It's stylistic. The newspaper is 130 years old.

Look at these two kanji: 桜 櫻 They are the same thing, just the latter is older.


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