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pacerier 03-04-2010 11:53 PM

would something like this be considered slang but valid, or totally invalid:

ボブのばか

Sashimister 03-05-2010 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pacerier (Post 802901)
would something like this be considered slang but valid, or totally invalid:

ボブのばか

That isn't even slang. Everyone says it here.

KyleGoetz 03-05-2010 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pacerier (Post 802898)
just for the usage on 2. definition, is a name compulsory on the right side of the の like 友達のほろこちゃん

To elaborate on what MMM said, you can remove the のほろこちゃん and it would still make sense. 友達の would not, however. 友達の一人 would, however.

pacerier 03-05-2010 02:03 PM

heys thanks all for your replies.

anyway, what exactly is the difference between this 2 sentences

1) ならはきょうとよりゆうめいじゃありません

2) ならはきょうとほどゆうめいじゃありません

Sashimister 03-05-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pacerier (Post 802968)
heys thanks all for your replies.

anyway, what exactly is the difference between this 2 sentences

1) ならはきょうとよりゆうめいじゃありません

2) ならはきょうとほどゆうめいじゃありません

Meaning-wise, they are exactly the same. 2) makes the speaker sound considerably maturer.
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To be strict, the better speakers would rarely say じゃありません. じゃ is a colloquial word for では. By combining it with the not-so-casual ありません, you're creating an imbalance within a short phrase, which better speakers would do anything to avoid. It's one the phrases used more by Japanese-learners than by us Japanese-speakers. I recommend that you use ~~ではありません.

pacerier 03-05-2010 02:54 PM

does using ほど makes なら sounds more famous then if i use より?
in other words if it is this case:
1. AさんはBさんよりへたですじょうずではありません
2. AさんはBさんほどへたですじょうずではありません
which should i use to "soften the blow" and not make A-san sounds too "lousy"



also regarding ほど is it true that the right side must be a negated expression so i can say ほどじょうずではありません but not ほどへたです right?

pacerier 03-07-2010 01:08 PM

heys all i've got 2 questions regarding this sentence: にくもさかなもたべません

is the last も required, in other words can i say this: にくもさかなたべません

also can i add more terms like にくもさかなもやさいもたべません

KyleGoetz 03-07-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pacerier (Post 803181)
heys all i've got 2 questions regarding this sentence: にくもさかなもたべません

is the last も required, in other words can i say this: にくもさかなたべません

also can i add more terms like にくもさかなもやさいもたべません

1. You might hear people say #2, but #1 is better. #2 feels like it's missing a particle (because technically it is).

2. Yes.

Sashimister 03-08-2010 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KyleGoetz (Post 803201)
1. You might hear people say #2, but #1 is better. #2 feels like it's missing a particle (because technically it is).

Go with your instinct. We don't say #2.

Unlike は, が or を, も never gets omitted even in the sloppiest spoken Japanese. も doesn't get omitted because it has more "meaning".

pacerier 03-08-2010 09:03 AM

thanks all for the answers =D as for the particle の, is it true that sometimes its optional. if so how do i decide whether its needed or not. will both of these be acceptable:
ワンさんというひとをしっていますか
ワンさんというのひとをしっていますか
and this 2:
ワンさんの日本語能力はじょうずですね
ワンさんの日本語の能力はじょうずですね

also does this sentence requires the の particle?
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