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yukikosan 03-19-2010 12:53 AM

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To be fair, when you write "Klaus" in English and German, it's written exactly the same.
I am not English I am french!
And I'm not gonna make long explanation in English ...
I may not explain myself correctly.

MMM 03-19-2010 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Koir (Post 804794)
Watching this thread shows it is yet another example of the worst the forum can offer, on both sides of the equation.

I am sure I have disappointed you again, Koir.

I just can't sit back when someone decides to take a bite out of another culture and squish it into whatever they want to. It's no different than "I want kanji for my dead brother's name for my tattoo," or "I want to adopt a Japanese baby."

MMM 03-19-2010 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804796)
I'm not Japanese and I'm not ashamed to say it, but you seems to be, since you haven't answer...

No, I am not Japanese.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804796)
Are Japaneses that "closed minded" to find it "not normal" that a foreigner have a japanese name ?

Why is "close-minded' in quotes? But to answer your question, it isn't an issue of being close-minded. Since when can you pick and choose from other cultures like shopping at a shopping mall?

Yes, it is considered "not normal" for non-Japanese to use Japanese names. Japan is an island country with a long history largely closed off from the he outside world.

I don't think we can judge, just because the Japanese culture is different from our own. We can either accept it or not, but that isn't going to change it.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804796)
In north America and Europe I don't think people care!!
Hey!! My son's name is Klaus!!!! What a shame and a stupid thing, I'm not even German!!!

Yes, in North America and Europe this isn't a big deal. In Japan it would be considered strange.

I can name you two dozen things that are normal in N.A. and Europe that are taboo in Japan. Different cultures.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804796)
Seriously...

And i'm gonna add this...
I'm not a freaking teenager who thinks it's so cool to have a name in kanji, why I wanna have my name in kanji is a lot as a RESPECT toward the Japanese people, since I chose a name from their culture. I think the less I can do is to use it the good way japaneses do : in kanji .

End of the line

Unfortunately, you will get the opposite reaction. I think if you really want to respect the Japanese culture you will not try and legally change your name to kanji.

If you do want to respect the Japanese culture then you can do things like, 1) learn the language, 2) visit the country, 3) read some literature from Japan, 4) learn to cook some authentic Japanese meals, 5) practice calligraphy in Japanese...the list goes on and on, but changing your name is not on that list.

yukikosan 03-19-2010 01:37 AM

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Why is "close-minded' in quotes
because, like I said, I'm not English and I wasn't sure if that was the way to say it.

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Since when can you pick and choose from other cultures like shopping at a shopping mall
since when?? Since forever !! I mean there is no world rule against that!!
We are all free humain being and if I want to give a Lebanese name to my daughter I have the right to do so, I don't have to ask a permission, the same way as if I pick a religion I'm free to follow it by the book or with my values!!
It's not because you grow in a culture that you have to stick to it in every way for your entire life!
I come from a French Canadian catholic culture.
As a teenager, I decided to change religion, because I didn't beleive the Christian one... Is that a crime?? A silly thing! No, it's called freedom !

And I am not gonna change legally for a kanji. I changed legally for Yuki, the kanji is only for me, to "use" the Japanese name correctly, because even if I am not Japanese , Yuki IS a Japanese name and so, should nit be in katakana, is it not a foreign laguage.

And yes, I am learning Japanese language actualy and I read about the culture.
I didn't change my name to Yuki by respect... I changed it for a personnal reason and i chose Yuki because I love this name!
I want to gave a kanj. By respect, not the same thing here!
But maybe I don't have the same vision of respect than Japaneses do.

chryuop 03-19-2010 01:57 AM

Sorry, but choosing a name out of your culture is one of the most stupid things existing.
I see it happening so often where I live that it is incredible. Once a co-worker of mine, knowing I am Italian, wanted to show off and told me his son was gonna have an Italian name. I stared at her and informed her that the name she picked for her son was a female name...she answered "but I like it!" LOL.
Imagine if you called yourself or your kid something that means "crap" or "urine" (I tried to avoid bad language).

You picked your name without checking on it and now you don't like the fact that it means "snow" and you would like from us to tell you something you might like more. Well, as I said, it is for your personal use, then use the kanji you like more.

KyleGoetz 03-19-2010 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chryuop (Post 804816)
Sorry, but choosing a name out of your culture is one of the most stupid things existing.

Woah, now let's not get so hasty! My name is Kyle Philip Goetz. Kyle is Gaelic, Philip is Greek, and Goetz is German. I was born in the US to an American family without much of any ties to the old world.

MMM 03-19-2010 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804809)
since when?? Since forever !! I mean there is no world rule against that!!

Different cultures have different thoughts about that. Your cultural standards are not necessarily universal.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804809)
We are all free humain being and if I want to give a Lebanese name to my daughter I have the right to do so, I don't have to ask a permission, the same way as if I pick a religion I'm free to follow it by the book or with my values!!

But that doesn't mean that culture has to accept your decision.

You asked if this would be accepted, and you got your answer. It is too bad it was not the answer you wanted.

Like some cultures, some religions are more strict than others. You can choose to be whatever religion you want, but in some religions improper activities are punishable...so your values may not be accepted by that religion. I think it is a two-way street.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804809)
It's not because you grow in a culture that you have to stick to it in every way for your entire life!
I come from a French Canadian catholic culture.
As a teenager, I decided to change religion, because I didn't beleive the Christian one... Is that a crime?? A silly thing! No, it's called freedom !

If want to name yourself "Table" then feel free! But that doesn't mean I have to think it isn't silly or strange.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804809)
And I am not gonna change legally for a kanji. I changed legally for Yuki, the kanji is only for me, to "use" the Japanese name correctly, because even if I am not Japanese , Yuki IS a Japanese name and so, should nit be in katakana, is it not a foreign laguage.

Since Yoko Ono was born in the US her name was (and is) written in katakana. She is Japanese with Japanese blood and Japanese parents who has a katakana name. Japanese names in kanji are reserved for Japanese citizens.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804809)
And yes, I am learning Japanese language actualy and I read about the culture.

So this shouldn't be news to you.

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Originally Posted by yukikosan (Post 804809)
I didn't change my name to Yuki by respect... I changed it for a personnal reason and i chose Yuki because I love this name!
I want to gave a kanj. By respect, not the same thing here!
But maybe I don't have the same vision of respect than Japaneses do.

I think you do not have the same vision of respecting another culture as Japanese do, so I would drop the kanji. If you want to write your name in Japanese, use katakana. That is showing respect.

yukikosan 03-19-2010 02:22 AM

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Sorry, but choosing a name out of your culture is one of the most stupid things existing.
that's your opinion but you don't have to judge or insult someone that did it...

My first child has a name from the Polynesian island, the second one a name from liban, and the last one, a German name and me, a Japanese one.

I love what cones from another culture than mine, I love things that i'm not used to... The food, the cloths, the believes.. Etc..

Anyway!!

yukikosan 03-19-2010 02:35 AM

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Different cultures have different thoughts about that. Your cultural standards are not necessarily universal.
true!
But in MY culture it's ok, we have freedom of choices.
And since I live in MY country I won't restrain myself :)

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But that doesn't mean that culture has to accept your decision.
you're right but if I may, other cultures has NOTHING to say about my choices since we are NOT from the same culture. :)
I can't judge other cultures as well.

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Like some cultures, some religions are more strict than others. You can choose to be whatever religion you want, but in some religions improper activities are punishable...so your values may not be accepted by that religion. I think it is a two-way street.
I agree but only if you actually LIVE in this country, this culture.
I don't live in japan. I live in Canada.
Like if you don't follow the Muslim laws like you should here, nobody will really care and nobody is gonna tell you what to do..
Because we are not a Muslim country..

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So this shouldn't be news to you.
I'm begining to learn... I still have a LOT to learn..


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If you want to write your name in Japanese, use katakana. That is showing respect.
but katakana is for foreign language. Yuki is Japanese.

Sashimister 03-19-2010 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Koir (Post 804794)
Watching this thread shows it is yet another example of the worst the forum can offer, on both sides of the equation.

If you have nearly no knowledge of or even much interest in the Japanese language, why do you keep commenting in the language section?


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