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Xajron 08-11-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sashimister (Post 823421)
That would be:
「スミスさんはパイロットであり、妻であり、ふたりのこどもの母親でもある。」 or

「スミスさんはパイロット、妻、ふたりのこどもの母親でもある。」

Ok, so I'll use で when connecting nouns that describe someone, but what does であり mean? Is it で + the stem of あります? What is the difference? Is there a formal difference?

Thank you so much! :pinkbow:

Sashimister 08-11-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Xajron (Post 823460)
Ok, so I'll use で when connecting nouns that describe someone, but what does であり mean? Is it で + the stem of あります? What is the difference? Is there a formal difference?

あり is the continuative form of ある, which is why it isn't used the third (the last) time.

(And don't forget to use the も at the end.)

The difference between the two sentences is the degree of formality. The first sentence sounds more formal but not by all that much to the native ear.

Xajron 08-11-2010 10:34 AM

Ok, so I should say 学生で、先生もです? Got it.

So ありis kind of like when you use the stem form of verbs (instead of the te-form) to link sentences, but you use ありbecause だ is already in the te-form?

Again, thank you for your help! ^_^

Sashimister 08-11-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Xajron (Post 823473)
Ok, so I should say 学生で、先生もです? Got it.

Nope. You cannot say もです.  Please read each letter in my sentences carefully.

You can choose between でもある and でもあります.

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So ありis kind of like when you use the stem form of verbs (instead of the te-form) to link sentences, but you use ありbecause だ is already in the te-form?
You seem a bit confused here.

I stated last time that あり was the continuative form of ある. The term "continuative form" is the official name for the "te-form". (Believe it or not, the term "te-form" is NEVER used in Japan, which is why I don't like using it in my explanations.) So, あり is already in the "te-form" even though you see no て in it, and so is で.

This is the reason that you should construct these sentences as:
(Again, read each and every letter carefully or you will learn nothing in this post. If I were you, I would read these aloud.)
であり + であり + でもある or
で + で + でもある

でもある can be replaced by でもあります.


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