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davidshao12 11-09-2011 09:38 PM

The counter fun 分????
 
In my studies I ran across the counter fun sometimes being pronounced bun. I know it is pronounced pun sometimes. Is there a reason that it may be pronounced bun sometimes or is it just a mistake.

EX. sanjubbun
sanjuppun

KyleGoetz 11-09-2011 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by davidshao12 (Post 886328)
In my studies I ran across the counter fun sometimes being pronounced bun. I know it is pronounced pun sometimes. Is there a reason that it may be pronounced bun sometimes or is it just a mistake.

EX. sanjubbun
sanjuppun

Well, not as a counter (I used to say よんぶん and さんぶん all the time by mistake), but 三分する and 四分する both make it ぶん (they mean, respectively, to cut into three pieces and to cut into four pieces).

masaegu 11-10-2011 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by davidshao12 (Post 886328)
 
EX. sanjubbun
sanjuppun

It is NEVER read the first way.

Half an hour = さんじゅっ

1/30 =  さんじゅうんのいち

KyleGoetz 11-10-2011 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by masaegu (Post 886342)
It is NEVER read the first way.

Hal an hour = さんじゅっ

1/30 =  さんじゅうんのいち

Oh yeah, there we go! It is often ぶん for a different counter meaning (denominators/"parts")!

Now I remember why I always make the mistake of saying 1:02 as ending with にぶん! Because of that blasted manga らんまにぶんのいち (that I read religiously as a kid)!

Sumippi 11-10-2011 06:29 AM

When we count minutes we say 'ippun, nihun, sanpun, yonhun/yonpun, gohun, roppun, nanahun, happun, kyuuhun, juppun, nijuppun, sanjuppun,...hyappun' etc.

But...

when we count something long, like... trees, sticks, pencils, films, bottles, cigarettes or bananas (What else? There must be more.), we say 'ippon, nihon, sanbon, yonhon, gohon, roppon, nanahon, happon, kyuuhon, juppon, nijuppon, sanjuppon, ...hyappon,' etc.

では小テスト。よ~く見てくださいね~

>゜))))彡  ←これは、いっぴきめのさかなです。
>゜))))彡  ←これは、にひきめのさかなです。
>゜))))彡  ←これは、さんびきめのさかなです。

おぼえましたか?では、

>゜))))彡  ←これは、うえの3つのうちの、どれ かです。これはなんひきめのさかなでしょうか?

(This riddle doesn't work in English.)

(あそんでごめんなさいww)

davidshao12 11-10-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumippi (Post 886381)
When we count minutes we say 'ippun, nihun, sanpun, yonhun/yonpun, gohun, roppun, nanahun, happun, kyuuhun, juppun, nijuppun, sanjuppun,...hyappun' etc.

But...

when we count something long, like... trees, sticks, pencils, films, bottles, cigarettes or bananas (What else? There must be more.), we say 'ippon, nihon, sanbon, yonhon, gohon, roppon, nanahon, happon, kyuuhon, juppon, nijuppon, sanjuppon, ...hyappon,' etc.

では小テスト。よ~く見てくださいね~

>゜))))彡  ←これは、いっぴきめのさかなです。
>゜))))彡  ←これは、にひきめのさかなです。
>゜))))彡  ←これは、さんびきめのさかなです。

おぼえましたか?では、

>゜))))彡  ←これは、うえの3つのうちの、どれ かです。これはなんひきめのさかなでしょうか?

(This riddle doesn't work in English.)

(あそんでごめんなさいww)

ごめんたさい  So the book made a mistake

Sumippi 11-10-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by davidshao12 (Post 886430)
ごめんたさい  So the book made a mistake

It's not 「ごめんたさい」but 「ごめんなさい」ですけど、but you don't have to apologize.

...So you can't solve my riddle?

masaegu 11-10-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumippi (Post 886433)
but you don't have to apologize.

いや、これには訳があるんです。このおっさん(なんて 多分十代だけど)、勝手ににスミッピさんや私が自分の カキコを読み間違えて、まったく我々が質問に答えてい ないかのように、かなり失礼なことを書いてきたんです 。で、なんだこいつと思い、しばらくして戻ってきたら 書きなおしてたんです。謝ったってわからないのにね。
____

こいさんのクイズどう考えても分かりません。:o

KyleGoetz 11-10-2011 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumippi (Post 886381)
When we count minutes we say 'ippun, nihun, sanpun, yonhun/yonpun, gohun, roppun, nanahun, happun, kyuuhun, juppun, nijuppun, sanjuppun,...hyappun' etc.

But...

when we count something long, like... trees, sticks, pencils, films, bottles, cigarettes or bananas (What else? There must be more.), we say 'ippon, nihon, sanbon, yonhon, gohon, roppon, nanahon, happon, kyuuhon, juppon, nijuppon, sanjuppon, ...hyappon,' etc.

では小テスト。よ~く見てくださいね~

>゜))))彡  ←これは、いっぴきめのさかなです。
>゜))))彡  ←これは、にひきめのさかなです。
>゜))))彡  ←これは、さんびきめのさかなです。

おぼえましたか?では、

>゜))))彡  ←これは、うえの3つのうちの、どれ かです。これはなんひきめのさかなでしょうか?

(This riddle doesn't work in English.)

(あそんでごめんなさいww)

..いっぴきめんだ!

chryuop 11-10-2011 09:07 PM

Sorry if I add a little extra to the question. I have found a long time ago 分 used as counter for seats reserved at a restaurants. My dictionary doesn't really include that meaning so I cannot check it out again. When used with that meaning is it pronounced ぷん or ぶん?


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