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GazettEnoAoi 11-07-2007 03:26 PM

datta だった meaning??
 
hello everyone!

i have a question, i wonder what "datta だった" means.
it appears in this sentence:

Zutto kanashimasete bakari datta

so i dont know if datta is a verb a noun or i dont know oô i couldnt find it anywhere in a dictionary.

so what does datta means??

GaijinInvasion 11-07-2007 03:48 PM

'datta' is the past tense of 'da'. It doesn't behave itself as a normal verb. It expresses a state of being. You could translate 'da' with 'is' or 'are', and 'datta' with 'was' or 'were'.

masaegu 11-07-2007 03:50 PM

だった = past tense for です. I don't have to explain what です means, do I?

GaijinInvasion 11-07-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by masaegu (Post 288109)
だった = past tense for です. I don't have to explain what です means, do I?

No it's not. 'desu' is the polite expression for state of being. The past tense of 'desu' is 'deshita'.

'da' is considered to be informal, because it's 'stronger'. If you use 'da' at the end of a phrase you declare that it IS that way, which is considered to be more informal.

masaegu 11-07-2007 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaijinInvasion (Post 288115)
No it's not. 'desu' is the polite expression for state of being. The past tense of 'desu' is 'deshita'.

'da' is considered to be informal, because it's 'stronger'. If you use 'da' at the end of a phrase you declare that it IS that way, which is considered to be more informal.

貴方の過去の書き込みを見れば、日本語初心者であると 判断しますがいかがですか。もし私より日本語に精通し ていると思っているなら日本語で反論して見て下さい。

GaijinInvasion 11-07-2007 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by masaegu (Post 288133)
貴方の過去の書き込みを見れば、日本語初心者であると 判断しますがいかがですか。もし私より日本語に精通し ていると思っているなら日本語で反論して見て下さい。

I sure want to believe you have more acquaintance in Japanese then I have. But that doesn't mean you should give misleading information.

'datta' is NOT the past tense of 'desu'. Even if I would be a Japanese beginner student, I would still know this. This is basic stuff..

MMM 11-07-2007 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaijinInvasion (Post 288163)
I sure want to believe you have more acquaintance in Japanese then I have. But that doesn't mean you should give misleading information.

'datta' is NOT the past tense of 'desu'. Even if I would be a Japanese beginner student, I would still know this. This is basic stuff..

DATTA is the informal, past-tense form of DESU.

Nattybumppo 11-07-2007 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masaegu (Post 288133)
貴方の過去の書き込みを見れば、日本語初心者であると 判断しますがいかがですか。もし私より日本語に精通し ていると思っているなら日本語で反論して見て下さい。

よくも不安定の足場の上で、調子のいいこと書いてらっ しゃるね!ほら、「だった」というと、「であった」の 省略でしょう?「であった」は明らかに「である」の過 去形でしょう。そんで、「です」はその敬語動詞の「ま す」がついた、「であります」の省略ですから、「であ る=であります」とはなかなか言えないと思いますよ、 文法的に。敬語レベルでは、違います。

もちろん、「だ」より「です」を知っている初心者にと っては、だったという言葉はですという言葉の過去形だ と言ってもあまり悪影響がないでしょう。生徒の理解に もつながるでしょう。だた、文法的に言うと、ちょっと 間違っていると思います。

Gorotsuki 11-07-2007 10:39 PM

if da is the informal version of desu and datta is the past tense of da which is the informal form of desu then datta IS past tense informal form of desu.

Keaton421 11-08-2007 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaijinInvasion (Post 288115)
No it's not. 'desu' is the polite expression for state of being. The past tense of 'desu' is 'deshita'.

'da' is considered to be informal, because it's 'stronger'. If you use 'da' at the end of a phrase you declare that it IS that way, which is considered to be more informal.

This man speaks the truth.

Casual, past form of Desu


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