You need to read that whole bit you quoted again.

I know this is going to spark a Flame war but its something that needs to be said, sorry Mods. We just can’t stand this anymore. Senortiy over education. Personal life should always be sperated from your opinion because your opinion becaomes bias. Is JF really so low that you must keep these people who start flame wars every second they log on?. What is going on?.

How can you really say that? Just because your bias about what you believe in?.
Honestly your shit Tenchu, you say this and that, you say “I believe this because someone told me it. Because my MASTER said it was true”. Boxing and Muay Thai are tool sports mad4e for a ring because they expect the other person not to hit them below the belt. In the past you even said that you believed in “rules”, no hitting below the belt, no groin shots, no guns, etc. You’re such a tool.
Arguing about what you believe to a total stranger.
You say you went through sooooo much during training yet you have time to corrupt your training with jealousy and hate. I know personally that you are shit, the way you fight. You are weak. If you weren’t then you wouldn’t be on here talking/logging on everyday saying “I lost because . . .”. Excuses Excuses. Tenchu it’s amazing that you and Ronin made it so far but then again on the computer you don’t really need to make your point clear. You and Ronin are tools for society, saying you’re different yet you do the same thing as teenagers and each other.
It’s pathetic.
You are not a fighter.
You’re just another crazy asshole white person raising hell because you are proven wrong, making up excuses. There are no other moves in Muay Thai other than the 1234 conditioning moves (Proven in your own video post).
You always say “They let you win because you are a foreigner”, yet some how you forget the color of your own skin.
Maybe just maybe they know you’re just another know it all white guy who traveled to Thai land wanting to learn a martial art just like those people who try getting a tattoo in another language. They want to have “Honor” tattooed into their arm yet the people they ask steer them another way just like cattle (just like you in this case).
I and others on here are tired of you and Ronins “high and mighty” attitudes when really you’re nothing to this world. If you died no one would give a shit. It would just be “What happened to that guy who liked little girls?”. I’ve watched and read every one of your posts and they are pathetic. Saying you have Morality, Honor, Respect, yet you do not display any of those characteristics on the computer. “Saying” is different from “Actions”.

well, isn't fighting in itself training? or do we naturally kick ass? everyone has to start somewhere, be it bullying or learning from a master.
you are stating someone with experience in the street will fight better than someone taught, i am saying even that street "fighter" had to learn somewhere. even if he learned from real fights that's still "training" in some sense.

UFC/MMA do you think that they train? i believe so

This is predictably sinking into semantics, but the point is that you train to fight/compete. Training just to train is proof of nothing in and of itself.

i'm gonna use an example, don't dwell on it too much... training to get out of an arm bar, you learn how people put you in it, you learn how to get out of it. can't you apply that in a real fight if the opponent tries to use that technique on you?

You'll never know until you're in a real fight. That's the point.

uwaaa.. only read a couple posts and got barely the gist of what you guys are blabbing about... but here's my input anyway! =DD

Training is just to improve yourself >.>
How you train affets how well you improve >.>
Everyone has different capacities and situations....
Not everyone is equal...
What takes one person 7 years to achieve...
might take another only 3 years >.>

Fights are situational, they're always different
Prior training does not guarantee a win, only improves your chances
Experience is gained through both training and fighting
Each offers different kinds of experience....
Training improves and increases muscle memory, reflex str, spd, application, etc.
Fighting improves application, reflex, and creates a familiarity w/ your own body >.>"''

it's realy pointless to argue such things... =.=

and geez.. the title of this thread is really.... irksome...
there's no "BEST" martial art x.x'''
everything's situational and depends on the individual! >.<"""

having the knowledge and going over drills (training, basically) to conquer someones technique is a good tool in your arsenal.
would you agree that learning how to get out of an arm breaking move can prove effective in a real fight when someone is trying to indeed break your arm?
i can agree that real time experience can benefit an individual in fighting, but i'm just trying to see if you would agree that training for fighting does in fact benefit you in a fight.

I think training MA is experience, but some people don't know what to do when they get in a real fight some just freeze and don't do anything and someone who has experience street fighting or getting into real fights will now what to do in most cases and not end up freezing...

duh..
training does help you in a fight xDD
it works on muscle memory
so that way you don't 'think' when enacting a move....
or you think 'less' >.>'''
and no thinking = no lag
not too mention the precision it takes to carry out some moves.....
precision that comes only from proper training =P

and pity on those fools who think that just because they pwned a black belt feels no need to study the arts proper >.>''

all people are different in their understanding of the body~
martial arts will always improve one's tech >.>'''

but of course, if one becomes cocky
relying on tech too much, or over confidence in one's improper tech will lead to pwnage =P

thus proper attitude comes into play

=P
true in some cases
but for this...
i'm gonna use myself as an example~

i've never been in a real fight proper >.>
although i've had people try attacking me
i "never" freeze up
i just react

basically, it's a personality thing
for those that freeze up in a real threat, continuous exposure to real scenarios is sometimes the only way for them to overcome it

then for others, they perceive themselves to be fearless and act however =P

and i guess, mind you, i'm very hesitant to hurt others~
even someone i truly despise, I'll always think twice before inflicting serious damage~
yet, in several instances in my middle school years, some kids tried tackling me
and i responded ruthlessly
if it weren't for a girl walking directly behind me, i woudl've slammed his face straight into the wall >.>''

In English, we use "he", "them" and "they" to describe the people who're just used as examples, but don't really exist. In this case, the idiot in a dodgey bar.

lol

Thats what i mean some do know how to react yet others freeze since they don't have experience fighting or how to act when being attacked.

like i said =P
i didn't have any prior fighting experience xD
all i did were exercises and forms
never even did sparring before those things happened o.o'
it was all muscle memory
and i reacted based on what i saw and felt
>.>'''

Yea some do know how to act lol XD[in your case] Fighting spirit maybe?lol.When i was in middle school i saw a fight where a person who had a pretty buff body due to training get beat up because he froze in the fight. yet some people have a fighting instinct.

Yes. I also have that fighting instinct. Or, more so, I couldn't walk away, could never back down. The only problem was I didn't know what to do when the fight started, nerves got the best of me, and it usually didn't go so well.

After training in a gym, but, I still have that fighting instinct, and I also know how to defend myself.

Train, dudes.

=P
you should totally see me in a fight xDD
like when i spar....
i always smile..... and act really realy cute.... and meow.. and everything =P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--VIG-ALt0s
*i'm the guy in the red/white*

YouTube - Oni-Con '08 Battlegrounds
*i'm yuujirou**skip to the second half xD*

uwa.. dble post....
but watch the videos below!!!!!!!!!!

=.='''
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


YouTube - Oni-con 2007: Cosplay
*i'm the guy in the red/white*

YouTube - Oni-Con '08 Battlegrounds
*i'm yuujirou**skip to the second half xD*

lol u broke his weapon on he second vid XD You're really good with the weapon spinning XD u win anything lol?you're really good doe lol.

nope =P
only stayed for a couple rounds xD
but this year
hopefully
i'll get to go all out and pwn everyone =P

I would never say that training has no value, of course. Quite the contrary.

looool duuuuudeeee =P
training is everything xD
it forms your foundation and your style >.>'''
w/o any training.... you're just a huge of mess of uncontrolled chaos >.>''

anyone who denies the value of proper training is fail >.>
and looking to get pwned

You might want to review the discussion

I will agree to that, partially. You are really getting only maybe 25% of what is needed to be a good fighter. So much involves reactions to unknown opponents and different scenarios as well as other outside distractions. But a trained fighter who has street experience is the one who wins most of the time.
Also, I want to apologize if I made what you are doing in Thailand sound trivial, because it's not. You just got me angry. If you truly want to learn Muay Thai I don't know many people with enough balls to leave home and train in a steamy jungle. I just hope you never underestimate any of your opponents, female or small, because the proudest fighters always lose. I was taught something very important, there always is someone better than you out there.

True. First thing taught in MA's is avoid trouble first.

too lazy too xD

I think we are all biased about what we think, maybe some don't push it as far as others. And aren't we all arguing with strangers here too? Tenchu's manner of writing is blunt and even annoying sometimes, but he at least looks at things from a different perspective once in awhile. I just can't stand someone who will only see one side of the debate.
And yes, Muay Thai is thought of more as a ring sport but it can be used successfully in a fight. Most fights are just punching and kicking anyway.
You did bring up some good points, but shutting down this thread is a bit much. If you see something you don't agree with point it out and state your opinion. I am always up for learning something, I don't know everything. And we all should stop giving one line answers to differing opinions. How can we understand the thinking in our opposite opinions?

What style is that girl using? One legged bunny?:D

I really don't have a lot to say about this as your post is mostly aimed at Tenchu...

However I think you're a bit of a hypocrite. You complain about our conduct then formulate a post for the sole purpose of flaming Tenchu? I mean the only relevant part of your post was the idea that anecdotal evidence does not prove a generalisation... which I agree with.

Furthermore I suggest you stop reading between the lines when I supposedly "flame". I usually only insult people in addition to the point I'm trying to make.

As for the topic at hand....

It's become ridiculuous. People are forgetting that this is a generalisation we're discussing and trying to use possible exceptions as evidence that the generalisation is not true. I've stated why I think experience but no formal training trumps formal training but no experience and I don't think my rational for believing such a generalisation is lacking.

hey,

Personally i preference go's to Aikido.
I have been training KI Aikido for 2 years and i'm 4th kyu.
I like the harmonie in aikido moving with the flow of the others attack.
And of course the mediation.

No martial art is better then the other.
Just like Ki aikido aint better then Aikikai aikido or aikijutsu.
I choose for aikido because its also more then a way of life for me.

oops 5 in the morning time to go to bed :X

The best martial art's is a handgun, unless your in Japan were it's not permitted. Then again the police are always roaming around.

That's a weapon, not a martial art, and not at all the best option for all situations.

this is what i read a page or two ago, am i jumping to conclusions?

it's like mid-evil war re-enactment, if you get hit on a limb you can't use it. at least that's what i think is going on...

You're right. It's not near satisfying enough. I'd much rather the hatchet, vegetable peeler, cigarette lighter and scalpal...

Find me a Martial Art devoted to the use of handguns please, as I'm sure there isn't one. Yes a gun is going to win hands-down against a martial artist (assuming the firer actually hits in the first place), but martial arts are more than just a way of breaking bones and punching someone's kidney's out through there ears.
I dont think this thread is, or should be, about which style/technique or artform is the best or worst, or which one would win in a fight with another. They all have there respective strengths and weaknesses. Its why I still stand by my belief that there is no 'best martial art'.

And back into the shadows I melt....:ywave:

your totally right its a Martial Art not a fight sport.
and even sports have there own rules.

"Gun fu" wiki it. It's not a true form of widely use martial arts but bringing a gun to a fist fight solves the problem in it's self.

Depends on circumstances.