I would have said that theyt could be make, but then I started thinking more, I mean it's not good if those people playing that begins to think like that or decide to try it in real life.

It's like walking on a really fine line or on really thin ice!

So I would say no to that.

I've never played a rape-game before... I really don't know how it would play out... like what sort of games are they typically? I'm imagining a Monkey Island type point-and-click adventure game. Or perhaps a first person stealth/action game like Tenchu... where you have to get around the neighbourhood unseen and "infiltrate" the target.

How do you play a "rape game"?

Dunno, never played that type of game, and I must say it doesn't really interest me...

the game play i saw on youtube looked like point and click. This guy kept touching a girls stomache. It seemed like a short gamelol not much fun and i don't think you can do much. Its probably like an hour long game.

ROFL!

You're one funny guy, Ronin.

Anyway, how old do you guys think boys should be before you show them boobies on the internet (a bit off topic here, but my 9 year old step son walked in yesterday unexpected, and it got me thinking whether I really need to be closing things in a hurry or not)?

Well, if I truly have nothing to live for then what would be the point of living?
I would become "an hero" google it if you dont know what it means.

I am being reminded post after post why parents need to be active in their children's lives day-to-day and hour-to-hour.

There really isn't a genre in American games to compare them to. From what I understand, they are like the popular "graduation" type games that are popular in Japan. Point and click role-playing adventure where you choose choose certain dialog or action and the right choices will lead to "graduation" or in this case, "sex".

Now comes the part where Tenchu accuses me of being a rape-game fanatic.

yea im 17 and i play adult games and i understand them. but im not going to play a rape game and i play GTA. not really my style of game tho.
and yea i love non-adult games. like mario, pokemon, zelda, and animal crossing.

All I'm gonna say is that if people want to play these sort of games, then they should have the right (and freedom) to do so...

Oh and for people wondering how to play these sort of games, it's basically click and point/drag (yes I've play a rape game)

Notice, however, that these "rape games" are made in Japan. I couldn't see anyone making something like this in the States. Then again there are some sickos out there.

My point is Japan has a much different culture than we do. I don't think it's frowned upon as much as it is here.

To be clear, it is not that it isn't frowned upon, because it is. The majority find it disgusting. Japan is "to each his own" society that doesn't concern itself with what goes on behind closed doors.

I would rather see potential rapists playing controversial games than raping somebody in real life.

This I agree with. If it keeps them from doing it IRL, then let them make the games. They could be potential lifesavers, and I'm sure that they have been before.

This is the fundamental difference between Japanese thinking and Western thinking.

In Japan I have found that these fetish fantasy outlets (I wouldn't call them "games" in the same way) are seen as ways to satisfy a fantasy.

In the US many people see them as fueling the fantasy.

I don't know which is more correct, or if they are both wrong.

It's a mixture of both. For some it satisfies their fantasies, and for others, it only acts as gasoline to the fire. It all depends on the person.

So they're both right, and they're both wrong at the same time.

My thinking is that they are both right. The problem is that it depends on the individual viewing/playing them. I would think that the percentage of those who would have the urge fueled, that were not already on that track would be very small. But if you are the victim, even one person is too many.

Since this is not a genre of "entertainment" I have had any interest in, I have only one , two-part, question. And it will probably explain why I object to them.

What percentage of the victims in the "games" are male? :mad:
And how many of the developers are female?

Those are good questions that I might be able to answer at the same time. Zero.

I have a real problem with this argument. Not only because it can't be backed up with any sort of study which links people that play games like this with sexually deviant behaviour (that I'm aware of anyway, in fact I think the closest study to this shows that people ARE influenced by the media. If I remember correctly, a study done a couple of years back showed that people who viewed violent media were more prone to violence or angry outbursts).

But the other problem I have with this argument is that it seems quite defeatist to me. Yes we all know that there are sexual deviants in society. But wouldn't a better approach be to fix society rather than give them outlets which might not even have an effect anyway? I believe the answer to this question is yes. For this reason I believe a ban on such media depicting rape so that the viewer may become sexually stimulated (not just games) is necessary.

I think neither.

Here's the thing: I find it quite awkward that American or Canadian tourists or temporary residents in China, Korea, or Japan have very bipolar opinions on how people view sex. It is either very liberal or very conservative to them.

In the West, there is a huge tendency to bring sex-related issues to the public way way often whether it is negative (like Conservative religious people) or positive (like pride or culturally liberal people). So, there is an assumption that East Asians have a well-expressed and deep personal opinion on sex that could be shared by someone unfamiliar.

The answer is: People living in CKJ don't make sex-related issues as much as possible; very reserved opinion. Sex is really a personal stuff or closet stuff for few like-minded people over there.

When I used to live in South Korea, I have never seen anybody who would talk about sex to a familiar person unless it is a very close friend. Then again, when I had a sex-ed class in South Korea, it was more about academic purposes, no "sex is evil!" or "sex is good!" attitudes.

Hope that make sense. I can see huge differences between the attitudes.

I just want to make a distinction that fantasy and deviancy are not the same thing. I imagine everyone has fantasies and I imagine most people probably have fantasies that are a little deviant. However, just because a person has a fantasy doesn't mean they will act on it. Probably most people never have their fantasies "fulfilled" or even want to have it ACTUALLY fulfilled, as it is better as a fantasy than as a reality.

For example, the kissing on the beach scene in From Here to Eternity is considered a fan favorite because it is very romantic. Many women have said they would love to relive that scene. However rolling in the cold wet sand in your clothes and kissing while waves splash over you is actually not a very pleasant experience, according to the actors in that scene and those that have tried to repeat it.

That's part of the fantasy. So I doubt most of the people that enjoy rape fantasy software are really interested in actually raping people, but it is a fantasy that is realized in a fantasy world.

Like "moe" and cartoon girls saying "Hey big brother, let's play doctor!" Very popular stuff. Does that mean they want to have sex with their real life sister. I am pretty sure they don't. It's just a fantasy realized best in a fantasy world, not the real world.

No I'm saying that rape games be banned because rape is bad and that it shouldn't be rewarded or indulged in any way.

And I'm saying that the argument which claims that rape games are necessary as an outlet for potential rapists is complete bullsh*t.

Oh. But anyway, there is a huge difference between the West and CJK when it comes to perception of sex.

Sorry if I offended you by saying something too different.

It is true, it is hard for people to take off their cultural glasses. It seems like a lot of Westerners think Japan is liberal sexually because of its thriving porn industry, and I don't see how those two ideas could be connected. It's just people don't judge what happens behind closed doors.

It would take a lot more to offend me, and I am not sure that was directed (only) at you.

I think I need to see one of these rape games for myself maybe. I'm imagining these rape games to be simulated rape. Complete with crying, pleading for her life, possibly some violence, maybe a gun or knife held to the throat or head or even a loved one watching... you know pretty barbaric and disgusting stuff.

I can't imagine rape depicted acceptable... I mean I'm aware of the whole power fantasy. It's not rape though because you tend to think of the women as complicit in such fantasy scenarios.

I don't think that is what we are talking about, my sense it is more convincing or tricking women/girls to come up to your room.

I am glad you brought up the point about power, because I think that probably is a factor.

Well I have played RapeLay (one of the more graphic and controversial) games, and it involves crying (you can actually see the tears when you zoom in), and when you "rape" the youngest victim, it starts to get a bit too realistic (I didn't want to actually say what happens as it may upset some people)

Salvanas, I thought you knew me better than to misinterpret my motivation behind the questions.

Your statistics are exactly why I raised the question. The games do not accurately reflect the crime it is supposed to be about, unless it factors in the assaults on men. And those assaults are perpetrated on men by both genders. You prooved my point that the games are extremely bias and prejudicial against females; by the mere exclusion of men as victims - incorrectlyinferring that males are too superior to fall victim to such assaults.

Good points, Komitsuki. Unfortuantely, the U.S. can't seem to keep opinions out of sex-ed classes - in the very few places it is actually taught. When I taught sex related classes to adults at a community center in the '90s I worked very hard to make sure that what ever opinions were expressed by those present were countered by the opposing views - even if it conflicted with my own.

Ok, that is the classic scenario for rape FANTASIES, and has nothing whatsoever to do with reality. And that is where my first serious opbjection to these games begins.

This reinforce the viscious myth that women only resist sex and have to have it forced upon them, after which they will enjoy it. That is the single most wide spread justification presented by defendants in date rape prosecutions. And since this it marketed to teenagers, it needs to stop.

From another perspective, I used to be heavily involved in both S&M and Domestic Violence education. Guess what the strongest link between to is ... rape fantasies!

But, nearly every time someone decides to play one out for real with a willing partner, the person in power is the first to discover that reality is scarey and it is the wrong path to head down. Unfortunately there are those exceptions and the partner is seriously damaged emotionally, psychologically and physically.

I don't say these should be banned, but I do say that their distribution needs to be extremely controlled. The problem is devising workable controls and when that is not feasible, then the issued of prohibiting the production needs to be re-examined.

As usual, you and I are in basic agreement, Salvanas.

And yes, let's be clear that rape - at least the real sort and usually the fantasy too, is first and foremost about power, not really sex. In the real world sex is merely the tool for exertion of power. And because sex is the ultimate personal act, it is one of the most intense demonstrations of power that is possible to inflict by a single person.

And yes, because of the abdication of responsibility and power, there are many women who share the fanasty.... as long as it remains a fantasy.

For those of us with a dominate and sadistic side, it becomes a question of self restraint, consequences, personal inclinations and the weighing of reality vs. fantasy.

Not saying I advocate games like this, but how is it any different from GTA? Is murder not as "bad" as rape? Because as soon as someone plays the It-will-fuel-fantasy card, that can also be applied to the majority of M rated games. As soon as rape games are banned, what's to stop banning any games that involve killing?