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Salvanas 05-07-2007 08:15 PM

Wold you kill Betthoven?
 
Thought I'd share this with those of you who have not seen it. Enjoy!


Question 1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion?

Read the next question before looking at the answer for this one.

Question 2: It is time to elect the new world leader, and only your vote counts.

Here are the facts about the three leading candidates.

Candidate A
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two mistresses.
He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college
and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and
hasn't had any extramarital affairs.

Which of these candidates would be your choice?
Decide first, then scroll down for the answer.











Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Candidate B is Winston Churchill.

Candidate C is Adolph Hitler.

...and by the way:

Answer to the abortion question - if you said yes, you just killed Beethoven.

Ichirin 05-07-2007 08:18 PM

yes, c.

I don't care that i choose for Adolf Hitler.
He was a great politician, same goes for Mao Zedong and Stalin. It doesn't really matter how they used their power, it's actually how they gained their power.

SweetSuicide 05-07-2007 09:49 PM

no and c

I know Hitler was a bad guy, but think about it, if it wasn't for the power hungery thing, he would be a good leader. That's just my opinion. *shurgs*

YaksokuDa 05-07-2007 09:50 PM

Kill him?! Nah, man, that dogs a legend!

Salvanas 05-07-2007 10:40 PM

Thisu wasn'y meant to be a serious post. Was just something to laugh at xD

Hisuwashi 05-07-2007 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 115690)
Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extramarital affairs.

I wonder how you failed to mention the fact that he's antisemitic and has been in prison for 5 years.

Hisuwashi 05-07-2007 11:15 PM

Hehe. Yeah. Anyway, my answers were:

1. no
2. C

Actually Hitler slept until noon as well. Or even up to 2 PM.

Fratello 05-08-2007 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 115690)
Question 1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion?

Of course not

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 115690)
Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and
hasn't had any extramarital affairs.

this because he was an excellent leader and politician, unfortunatly he was just nuts.

but if I had known B was MR.Winston, I would of voted him, he was a glorious leader, and saved my country and many more

Nachtschatten 05-08-2007 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SweetSuicide (Post 115753)
no and c

I know Hitler was a bad guy, but think about it, if it wasn't for the power hungery thing, he would be a good leader. That's just my opinion. *shurgs*


Well, f*ck your opinion and get some information first, before you're talking nonsense...

Maku 05-08-2007 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nachtschatten (Post 116770)
Well, f*ck your opinion and get some information first, before you're talking nonsense...

You're incorrect here.
He was a good leader, just with bad ideas.
That's not my opinion, it's fact.

Anyway, I said no and I chose Churchill because I knew it would be him.

Acidreptile 05-08-2007 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nachtschatten (Post 116770)
Well, f*ck your opinion and get some information first, before you're talking nonsense...

Even if it's absurd,everyone is entitled to have and share opinions.

Nachtschatten 05-08-2007 10:55 PM

Then say why he was a good leader.

Acidreptile 05-08-2007 10:55 PM

That thread is interesting Salvanas.I would not kill Beethoven because I think abortion should be avoided at all costs.But I would elect Hitler...See, appeareances can fool.

Nachtschatten 05-08-2007 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acidreptile (Post 116775)
Even if it's absurd,everyone is entitled to have and share opinions.

Sure, but not if they harm other people or embellish such things.

Maku 05-08-2007 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nachtschatten (Post 116777)
Then say why he was a good leader.

Charisma, power, high sense of influence.
That is leadership.

Acidreptile 05-08-2007 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maku (Post 116794)
Charisma, power, high sense of influence.
That is leadership.

Yeah,that's true.he used all that for evil,unfortunatelly.But if he was not a good leader he would not be able to cause the damage he caused.

Nachtschatten 05-08-2007 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maku (Post 116794)
Charisma, power, high sense of influence.
That is leadership.

Have you ever watched a speech of him? It makes one laugh and cry at the same time. And one doesn't need to think hard to recognize that he had a big inferiority feelings.

But these things don't make one a good leader. He totally ruined Germany (even before the war). A few more years of his "good leadership" and Germany would have been bankrupt.
Maybe he was clever (knowing how to gain power beforehand), but he was not a good leader.

Maku 05-08-2007 11:18 PM

You can't lead a country without influencing them first.

Nachtschatten 05-08-2007 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acidreptile (Post 116799)
Yeah,that's true.he used all that for evil,unfortunatelly.But if he was not a good leader he would not be able to cause the damage he caused.

He had all his secretaries that had a big deal in foreign affairs. There was a whole Nazi regime and Hitler was only the representative.

You guys get the term leadership totally wrong. Think about it!

Maku 05-08-2007 11:25 PM

I don't it is that wrong because he was the figurehead and the authoritarian power.
He was also the social model for the people at that time.

Nachtschatten 05-08-2007 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maku (Post 116807)
You can't lead a country without influencing them first.

What's the point?

Nachtschatten 05-08-2007 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maku (Post 116819)
I don't it is that wrong because he was the figurehead and the authoritarian power.
He was also the social model for the people at that time.

But that doesn't make him a good LEADER. Don't talk around it. Name examples for good leadership (no attributes, but improvements). In which points did he bring Germany forward?

Maku 05-08-2007 11:41 PM

He did what he saw as bringing Germany forward. I said he was a good leader with bad ideas, meaning he could've done great things but alas chose to do otherwise.
I'm not talking around anything, I've already described leadership twice, you're just choosing not to consider the facts.

Nachtschatten 05-09-2007 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maku (Post 116846)
He did what he saw as bringing Germany forward. I said he was a good leader with bad ideas, meaning he could've done great things but alas chose to do otherwise.
I'm not talking around anything, I've already described leadership twice, you're just choosing not to consider the facts.

But you don't give any facts...
Leadership goes along with lots of responsibilities and duties and if you don't work on them, you're simply not a good leader. Right from the beginning, Hitler had only in mind to revenge the treaties of Versailles. While he was imprisoned after his first coup he wrote a book which summarized his goals that he followed all the years afterwards. And he just chased after that (nullification of the contract of Versailles, enlargement of Germany to the east,...). He did not think about improving living standards of the people. His foreign policy formed his domestic policy. It was only the effect of his foreign policy or was only governed in such a way to support his foreign policy.
Does this make Hitler a good leader?

Maku 05-09-2007 12:10 AM

Yes it does, because he influenced people into thinking in his frame of mind.

Fratello 05-09-2007 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nachtschatten (Post 116805)
But these things don't make one a good leader. He totally ruined Germany (even before the war).

you know nothing

Hitler oversaw one of the greatest expansions of industrial production and civil improvement Germany had ever seen, Hitler also oversaw one of the largest infrastructure-improvement campaigns in German history, with the construction of dozens of dams, autobahns, railroads, and other civil works. Hitler's policies emphasized the importance of family life.

and of course his military power and strategies are well known to be very effective, until the later stages

Nachtschatten 05-09-2007 12:30 AM

Newspapers in 1932: 4703 (94 of the NSDAP)
Newspapers in 1944: 977 (352 of the NSDAP)

Investments into armament in 1932: 0.6 Billion Reichsmark (1.3% of income)
Investments into armament in 1938: 17.2 Billion Reichsmark (21.0 % of income)

His leadership meant blinding the people and spending increasing amounts of money for military upgrade.

@ Fratello: If I spend all my money for the next few days on things like holiday, clothes, massages, long nights in the bar, etc., it would be a lot of improvement of my living condition. But what comes after that? Look at Louis XIV. Improvements need money, and where does that come from?

Hisuwashi 05-09-2007 07:31 PM

Hitler's economic policies were good. He did successfully reduce unemployment, and revive Germany's military and industrial might, albeit that he cheated by putting Jews into concentration camps (so their jobs were lost, creating jobs for the regular Germans) and conscription into the Wehrmacht (armed forces).

Acidreptile 05-10-2007 12:25 AM

Wow you people are very well informed.

Maku 05-10-2007 12:42 AM

Either we get bored and decide to read up on pointless information (like me), or do/did History in school.

Fratello 05-10-2007 02:15 AM

through History we remember our mistakes, its our duty to remember, so others don't make the same mistakes

YaksokuDa 05-10-2007 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hisuwashi (Post 117900)
Hitler's economic policies were good. He did successfully reduce unemployment, and revive Germany's military and industrial might, albeit that he cheated by putting Jews into concentration camps (so their jobs were lost, creating jobs for the regular Germans) and conscription into the Wehrmacht (armed forces).

He also introduced his line of leather clothes, this encludes 'Leather Hat', 'Leather Shorts (hot pants)', 'Leather Boots' and last but not least the 'Leather handled pick axe'. He had his labourerslooking like a bunch of blonde Hard Gays.

(Information from GrandDad)


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