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Heru 07-30-2009 01:32 AM

Question About English Teaching
 
Ok, so I am heading to becoming an English Teacher (in america). It's something I've wanted to do since I was young. I was wondering, how much work experience would I need usually to become a English processor or what job in the field of teaching would get me earning between 40-70k. I know that how much teachers get paid vary wildly country to country, but yeah. Just wondering.

MisguidedFool 07-30-2009 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Heru (Post 754283)
Ok, so I am heading to becoming an English Teacher (in america). It's something I've wanted to do since I was young. I was wondering, how much work experience would I need usually to become a English processor or what job in the field of teaching would get me earning between 40-70k. I know that how much teachers get paid vary wildly country to country, but yeah. Just wondering.

well I don't know how accurate this is, however I do know that you have to have graduated from high school, to work in an elementary school you are required to present proof of a bachelors degree, in order to officially become a teacher in some states you must become a student teacher first and experience a classroom environment.And Lastly a teaching license.

However as for the pay rates here, I cannot say. The starting salary tends to vary between schools, Grade Level (I.E. 1-5, or 6-9, and in some cases it tends to function on elementary, Junior High, and High school.) Sometimes it tends to help if you are a part of a union. In NY, I'm pretty sure the starting salary runs around 50,000 - 65,000 a year for elementary school teachers.

Heru 07-30-2009 02:24 AM

I think average was 56k average. I live around nyc so this or nj will probably be where I'm aiming for in the future.

Starting salaries differ so much. I was looking at the UK and it was like £20-30k

Sangetsu 07-30-2009 03:50 AM

To be a public school teacher you'll need a minimum of a 4 year degree in education. A masters degree would be better, and would make you eligible for higher pay.

As for the starting salary of public school teachers, it is nothing close to $50k per year. It's more like $29k to $33k. As I mentioned earlier, you'll be eligible for higher pay if you have a higher level degree, or a degree in either math or science.

Teachers get regular increases in pay, and in time you can earn a decent living. However, in many places right now teachers are being laid off due to government cutbacks in spending. In Florida (where I used to live) the problem is especially severe.

If you want to make decent money as a teacher, stay in college and get at least a masters degree.

wasabijuice 07-30-2009 02:38 PM

It all depends on geography and experience.

Heru 07-30-2009 06:05 PM

I'm going for masters for sure. That was the first thing that occurred to me.

I don't mean to be rude but I was asking about teaching jobs in Japan that make a decent living similar to the usa. Like... an English professor perhaps, but in Japan.

bELyVIS 07-30-2009 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Heru (Post 754606)
I'm going for masters for sure. That was the first thing that occurred to me.

I don't mean to be rude but I was asking about teaching jobs in Japan that make a decent living similar to the usa. Like... an English professor perhaps, but in Japan.

My friend is an English professor in Japan at a university. I'm not sure what he makes, but I think it isn't too high since his wife works and he is always doing side jobs. He does love it though and loves having a lot of time off. If you make enough to live off of, sometimes money isn't as important as happiness.

Guigoo 07-30-2009 09:15 PM

i'm an english teacher and i hold several international certificates and diplomas such as Cambridge's CELTA which means i'm able to teach overseas. I'm interested in teaching in Japan.

I'd like to know how much schools, courses usually pay in Tokyo. Thnks

Sangetsu 07-31-2009 01:35 AM

Most ALT and conversational schools in Japan pay about 250k yen per month (about $2500 USD) to start. Public schools will pay about 350k yen for certified teachers who are reasonably skilled in Japanese (this varies according to qualifications), and universities pay upwards of 400k yen per month, though a minimum of a masters degree is generally required.

Even the minimum pay of 250k is not bad when you consider the usual workweek is less than 30 hours, and that the cost of living in most of Japan is actually quite low. On the other hand, 250k will not go very far in Tokyo or Osaka.

GTJ 07-31-2009 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 754872)
On the other hand, 250k will not go very far in Tokyo or Osaka.

Well, that all depends on how frivolous you are ;)

Personally, I make it in Osaka on a little less than ¥100,000 per month. But I'm frugal as heck; I cook a lot of my own meals (love cooking), and my rent plus utilities is usually under ¥50,000. But I can see how it would get tight.

You aspiring teachers just need to hold back from buying all the goodies as soon as your paycheck lands in your pocket! Though I'm one to talk... I have NO REGRETS about buying that Lumix camera which took out most of a month's pay! None! Hahaha! :D

GTJ 07-31-2009 02:22 AM

Here ya go.

Japanese TV news reports on poor working conditions of foreign English teachers | Japan Probe

Sangetsu 07-31-2009 12:30 PM

Yes, the wonderful life of an ALT in Japan. A school board pays big bucks to a dispatch agency, who then keeps the lion's share and gives what's left to an inexperienced, recently graduated "teacher" who has a degree in something like basket weaving. This is done intentionally.

A few years ago laws were passed to regulate dispatch companies and their use by boards of education. The law states that after 1 year of working for the school board through the dispatch agency, the school board is supposed to hire the teacher directly. In reality this is almost never the case. The teacher goes back to wherever he came from, and a new "temporary" teacher is hired through the dispatch company to work for another year. School board members have "relationships" with dispatch companies (likely receiving kickbacks), and no one in government seems to want to take the time to enforce the laws.

With this system teachers leave after one year is over, just when he or she is beginning to learn how to teach. A new and inexperienced person is hired to "teach", which of course does the students little help. Teachers are for the most part ignorant of the law (you won't find it mentioned in your contract), or have illegal "non-competition" clauses stating that you cannot leave the dispatch company to work for a competitor (or board of education directly). Do you wonder why dispatch companies prefer to hire inexperienced people fresh out of university who have no knowledge of Japanese? Now you do.

If you are an experienced teacher with a degree in English or education (and can speak Japanese) who wants to work in a public school, your best bet is to apply to the board of education directly and not waste your time with dispatch companies. You'll make double the money with half the headaches. Your students will learn something because you are a teacher, not a fresh, foreign face with a non-education related degree working his first job out of university.

Heru 07-31-2009 04:21 PM

There was defiantly a song form bleach in the second part. I felt like a hollow was coming after me or something.

Anyway, that was very interesting.

Seanus 08-15-2009 03:03 PM

Unfortunately, greed took over and teaching became secondary. The teachers just wanted to do their thing but were ousted due to the greedy bas*ard culture (GBC). The GBC happened in Scotland too in the area of nurse teaching (my Dad's area) and many other areas.

I hope they found that rat, the former head of NOVA, and hung him. He ruined a successful enterprise and a Japanese phenomenon. I hope he doesn't sleep at night for what he did.

Sangetsu 08-18-2009 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Seanus (Post 761421)
Unfortunately, greed took over and teaching became secondary. The teachers just wanted to do their thing but were ousted due to the greedy bas*ard culture (GBC). The GBC happened in Scotland too in the area of nurse teaching (my Dad's area) and many other areas.

I hope they found that rat, the former head of NOVA, and hung him. He ruined a successful enterprise and a Japanese phenomenon. I hope he doesn't sleep at night for what he did.

I wouldn't define those who worked at Nova as "teachers". As for Saruhashi, he committed a capital sin in Japan, and only made things worse for himself by not hanging himself or jumping in front of a train. But it wasn't entirely bad, the rest of the industry cleaned itself up (somewhat), and teachers for the new Nova are earning 25% more than the old company used to pay.

Googlyguy 08-23-2009 05:15 AM

Bieng a high school student in the US, this is strangely very interesting for me :P I don't mean to interrupt, though. Please, continue


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