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Kisama 11-23-2009 11:15 PM

Japan's 'fat law'?
 
So Im watching adult swim last night and this bump comes on stating that it's now against the law to be a few pounds overweight in Japan. Could someone please clear that up for me? because if it's true i'll be extremely disappointed. Im far from obese but im definately plump and I would like to live in kyoto someday.:confused:

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-23-2009 11:20 PM

There is a thread on this, not sure about the URL, but I can explain a little.

In Japan, there is a law about measuring the workplace's waistline...meaning that every employee must get their waistline checked during their regular check-up. If they are over a certain measurement, then they are fined. It's an action to stabilitize the weight issues.

Hope it helps! XD

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~
P.S. I wanna go to Kyoto too!! XD (I also love Adult Swim...XD)

Nyororin 11-24-2009 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honoraryjapanesegirl (Post 784615)
There is a thread on this, not sure about the URL, but I can explain a little.

In Japan, there is a law about measuring the workplace's waistline...meaning that every employee must get their waistline checked during their regular check-up. If they are over a certain measurement, then they are fined. It's an action to stabilitize the weight issues.
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Umm... Fined? No.

Please do not spread misinformation. If you don`t actually know, or cannot do the research, please don`t answer the question with something random.

In reality - Those between 40 and 74 who weigh over the "limit" are informed that they are overweight, and encouraged to lose the weight. If there are already health issues involved (high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc) then they are scheduled for a followup with a weight counselor, and given support to lose weight and improve their health.
There is no fining involved. It is not "against the law" to be overweight. They are just offering free support and counseling to help people actually lose extra weight and be healthier.

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-24-2009 12:25 AM

That's what I saw, so I told 'im.
I apologize for you giving you malinformation, Kisama. I didn't mean to.
@ Nyororin: A nicer tone in your posts would be much appriciated, thank you.

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

Koir 11-24-2009 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honoraryjapanesegirl (Post 784634)
@ Nyororin: A nicer tone in your posts would be much appriciated, thank you.

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

Nyororin lives in Japan. Has for years and years. Has a Japanese husband. So I believe she knows QUITE a bit more about anything in Japan compared to an individual such as yourself.

You should be apologizing to her about spreading misinformation then calling HER on her tone. And next time, show *some* sense.

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-24-2009 12:33 AM

I wasn't saying she was wrong. I was just saying she could've corrected me a little nicer.
I know she lives in Japan, and I know she would know more than me about those subjects...If you want me to apologize I've already apologize to Kisama, but I will apologize to Nyororin...
I apologize, Nyororin...but like I've already said, I know you're right. I never said you were wrong.
~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

Nyororin 11-24-2009 12:36 AM

I never intended to sound particularly unkind in tone - I just have a tendency to write like that. No anger involved, more like general exasperation at the level of rumor and misinformation being spread about by foreign media in regard to the weight laws.

I`ve even seen sites trying to guess how much the fine would be for certain weights, presenting it as real news, when there will never be an individual fined - regardless of how overweight they are.

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-24-2009 12:43 AM

I understand, Nyororin. I get that way about misinformation in my country, too! I honestly didn't mean to spread anything.

I'm glad the miscommunication was solved, I would hate to mislead anyone! ^^
~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

ozkai 11-24-2009 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koir (Post 784635)
Nyororin lives in Japan. Has for years and years. Has a Japanese husband. So I believe she knows QUITE a bit more about anything in Japan compared to an individual such as yourself.

You should be apologizing to her about spreading misinformation then calling HER on her tone. And next time, show *some* sense.

So what's your opinion on the OP's topic?

futurebeast 11-24-2009 01:55 AM

No more laws for anything!
 
I am seriously tired of laws, and so I am glad that no one will be fined for eating all that delicious Japanese food. Yum!

Still, I understand people should not be so fat. So put down the drumstick and get back to work fatty!

clintjm 11-24-2009 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 784632)
Umm... Fined? No.

Please do not spread misinformation. If you don`t actually know, or cannot do the research, please don`t answer the question with something random.

In reality - Those between 40 and 74 who weigh over the "limit" are informed that they are overweight, and encouraged to lose the weight. If there are already health issues involved (high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc) then they are scheduled for a followup with a weight counselor, and given support to lose weight and improve their health.
There is no fining involved. It is not "against the law" to be overweight. They are just offering free support and counseling to help people actually lose extra weight and be healthier.

Kisama,
Nyororin is partially right, unless the laws have been changed and there is more detail on this.
The penalities are actually on :
"To reach its goals of shrinking the overweight population by 10 percent over the next four years and 25 percent over the next seven years, the government will impose financial penalties on companies and local governments that fail to meet specific targets. The country’s Ministry of Health argues that the campaign will keep the spread of diseases like diabetes and strokes in check."
not on the individual (directly).

But the sources I've seen haven't gone into true detail.
But you are a little late the flame fest on this. Its seems to be a dead thread now. Plenty of thoughts there though. The original article is there.

The U.S. may do it though with "sweeping" healthcare reform:rolleyes:

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...-millions.html

futurebeast 11-24-2009 02:51 AM

In the US we use the old, 'take away their jobs and let them starve to death' trick.

minamo9 11-24-2009 02:54 AM

uhm guys, can we please stay on topic? i think the topic starter would appreciate that ^^


i think its nice japan offers free support on losing weight. here they just offer coupons for extra burgers during lunch breaks <.<

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-24-2009 02:55 AM

Hahahaha!! Get Smart! I love that! (Referring to futurebeast...)

Yes so true...the US doesn't have very good laws pretaining to the subject. Something needs to be done over here, and fast... =_='

Japan's law sounds like a good one, but I know for a fact it won't work for everyone in the US; and I'm not saying because they don't want to, but because they physically can't lose the amount of weight that they need to as fast as everyone else.

Doctors here, especially in CA, seem to be impatient about such things...I have no idea what it is, you think they'd be the ones to be the most patient. Oh well.

No plan works for everyone the same, but I would hope that if Japan's plan moves to the US, that doctors would be a little more patient, and that health care workers, and doctors (as well as government in general) would work to the advantage of the patient, and not to their own selfish wants.
But, that's just my own thing...heh...sorry...

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

futurebeast 11-24-2009 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honoraryjapanesegirl (Post 784678)
Hahahaha!! Get Smart! I love that! (Referring to futurebeast...)

Yes so true...the US doesn't have very good laws pretaining to the subject. Something needs to be done over here, and fast... =_='

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

Glad someone got it. It is the oldest in the book after all.

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-24-2009 03:02 AM

Lol! And just knowing my own age, I'm probably a lot younger than you...
XD
~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

futurebeast 11-24-2009 03:08 AM

Ah, the good old days....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by honoraryjapanesegirl (Post 784680)
Lol! And just knowing my own age, I'm probably a lot younger than you...
XD
~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

I am a benefactor of Nick at Night. Just had my 25th on the 20th. Party hardy!

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-24-2009 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by futurebeast (Post 784683)
I am a benefactor of Nick at Night. Just had my 25th on the 20th. Party hardy!

Still younger than you!! XD lol...
But what do you think can be done to help the US's obesity problem? I'm curious to know another US resident's opinion...

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

futurebeast 11-24-2009 04:18 AM

Jazzercise. No, but seriously, everyone should get a dog and walk it everyday. It would also help to replace one happy meal with a salad everyday as well.

As far as the state? More parks, smaller streets with more bike lanes and, strangely enough, trains. When I lived in Japan I was a lot more inclined to walk because of the train access. I could go anywhere by foot. The other great thing is the government support for mom and pop shops in Japan. The diversity of shopping, restaurants, great parks system and convenience stores got me out everyday, all the time. It was also so easy to get on the internet wherever I was. Made it easy to justify leaving my computer.

There is also the crazy assortment of chemicals they use here. It is true that they are prevalent in Japan, but people eat smaller meals and exercise quite a bit more. They also eat a lot of vegetables which provide them with magnesium and vitamin C which are known to protect against the effects. I have read, since I am studying medicine, that MSG is the common method used to cause obesity in lab rats for scientific studies on the subject. Now granted that MSG is widely used in Japan, I can still safely say that 60-70% of all the stuff at the grocery in the states contains hidden sources of MSG. Vegetable protein isolate, soy products, anything labeled 'seasoning' or 'spices' etc. all tend to contain MSG. It is a common ingredient in baby food. I might be getting a lot of flack for mentioning that, but it is true.

I remember health class in high school and how crazy the information was. Was it 6 servings of starch a day? And they taught me how to make a bagel and cream cheese sandwich. They actually thought that was healthy? How about a salad? I remember, "Pizza can be part of a balanced meal. Starch, meat, dairy, vegetables and even fruit!" Nuts.

dirtyroboto 11-24-2009 02:11 PM

There are some super sized fatties here in Japan. The population is getting fatter and eating a more western diet. You see enough fatties wedged in McD's or KFc's to make you think you were in the USA anyway.

I think the people who came up with this idea were all sitting in a sushi-ya smoking 40 ciggarettes each and a fat girl complained to them about the health issues with smoking.

futurebeast 11-24-2009 05:14 PM

Yeah, fat people are always giving me health advice. Irony....

Slykaz1 11-24-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honoraryjapanesegirl (Post 784615)
There is a thread on this, not sure about the URL,

This might help...

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...-millions.html

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-24-2009 05:22 PM

I suppose they don't want the younger crowd to become like they are later in life. To teach them not to do te bad things they did.

But it is rather ironic.

I think the government should provide more outlets for people who actually need the help, and who can't do it on their own. Rather than helping people who can lose the weight on their own...

The government needs to take care of it's working class people, and it really doesn't! Which causes a lot of problems. The working class is basically what keeps the system together, and it's been that way for centuries! The government is blinded by it's own ignorance. Ignorance to the fact that they can get the medical attention they need because they are the government. While in the mean time the rest of it's population suffers...

Now that sucks...

Big time...

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

Kisama 11-25-2009 10:37 PM

It was an honest mistake Honorary im' sure you didn't mean it. In response to Nyororin: Yikes!:eek: That seems a little harsh for the workplace to question your weight. Then again I can understand their concern for high cholesterol and whatnot. What's your opinion on that?

MMM 11-25-2009 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honoraryjapanesegirl (Post 784843)
Ignorance to the fact that they can get the medical attention they need because they are the government. While in the mean time the rest of it's population suffers...

Now that sucks...

Big time...

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~

But Japan has a nationalized single payer health system. Everyone has the same access to the same medical care.

honoraryjapanesegirl 11-25-2009 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 785130)
But Japan has a nationalized single payer health system. Everyone has the same access to the same medical care.

Misa was reffering to the question I asked futurebeast, about what he thought could be done in America...XD
Then I told him my two cents...XD...I think it's great Japan has smoothed out issues that the US hasn't! I just hope that the US can tag along pretty soon...

~HonoraryJapaneseGirl~


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