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Sanchome 05-07-2007 10:31 AM

Tipping in Japan
 
If you live in Japan or have visited Japan, what do you think of the fact that tipping is not part of Japanese culture? Tipping is normal in America and most parts of Europe, but in Japan people don't tip and, in fact, many Japanese people might consider tipping to be rude.

When someone gives you excellent service at a Japanese hotel, bar, or restaurant, or when someone delivers pizza to your hote/apartment, and you know they aren't being paid very much, do you sometimes wish you could give them a tip?

The ironic things about the no tipping policy in Japan is that the quality of service is actually higher in Japan than in many countries that do support tipping.

I have often wanted to give someone a tip while spending time in Japan! :)

saikyo 05-07-2007 11:23 AM

Don't think ti would happen
 
I'm American, so from a tipping country, and can say that I don't miss tips in Japan. I have been here for 5 years now, and it never really crosses my mind.

Service in Japan is very "by the book". It's manual service. So the service is good, but you get the same service from every employee.

There are also more rules to social etiquette in Japan than there are in the states, I my humble opinion. If tipping were introduced in Japan, I bet it wouldn't be long until everyone always gave the "recommended" tipping amount no matter what the level of service. Be it 12%, 15%, whatever, they would abide by it to the yen. After time, it would just be added onto the bill anyway.

If you go to fancy bars in Japan, occasionally people will tell the bar tender to "keep the change". This could be considered tipping. It never happens from what I have seen, at restaraunts though.

Likely the waitress would come chasing you down the street telling you that you forgot your change!

すみません!お客さん!おつり忘れてるよ!!!:)

BTW, what other countries tip other than the US?

yamashita 05-07-2007 12:39 PM

tsometimes I work as a waitress. I know that its not usual in japan to give tip, but many other waiters who work together with me
tell me things like:

japanese people never give tip, thats unpolite!:mad:

.. funny

samokan 05-07-2007 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yamashita (Post 114877)
tsometimes I work as a waitress. I know that its not usual in japan to give tip, but many other waiters who work together with me
tell me things like:

japanese people never give tip, thats unpolite!:mad:

.. funny

in your country perhaps.. but if you give a tip that is consider unethical. every country has its own rules and culture, it might be impolite in your country but its not here. tipping usually occurs among "night-shift" works in kabakura and host( hosto) but not in other establishment.

Sanchome 05-07-2007 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yamashita (Post 114877)
tsometimes I work as a waitress. I know that its not usual in japan to give tip, but many other waiters who work together with me
tell me things like:

japanese people never give tip, thats unpolite!:mad:

.. funny

The same way that many Westerners cause problems by tipping in Japan, maybe many Japanese don't realize that they should tip when they are traveling in the West. I wonder what it says in Japanese travel guidebooks about tipping. It must be a little bit of a pain for Japanese people to have to pay extra for good service outside of Japan. It's like an extra tax. :)

Sanchome 05-07-2007 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saikyo (Post 114755)
There are also more rules to social etiquette in Japan than there are in the states, I my humble opinion. If tipping were introduced in Japan, I bet it wouldn't be long until everyone always gave the "recommended" tipping amount no matter what the level of service. Be it 12%, 15%, whatever, they would abide by it to the yen. After time, it would just be added onto the bill anyway.

BTW, what other countries tip other than the US?

Great point about the idea that Japanese might just tip the exact amount, no matter what the service. I didn't think about that.

As far as other countries that do tipping, service industry workers in most of the countries in Europe (West and East) that I have been to seem to appreciate tips.

SakuraSan 05-07-2007 04:02 PM

Thats pretty wierd :O
Ive never been to Japan but, i bet they think some western stuff like that is wierd.Like we have and been taught different manners so...errm,im trying to think of an example,cant think.
Stupid science homework messes with my brain...

yamashita 05-07-2007 04:34 PM

samokan. I know that when I m in japan i dont have to give a tip.
also that its unethical..

but many western (european people- I meant espacially my colleagues) dont know it and wondering about that japanese people dont give tip. because THEY dont know the facts.

the situation that I know it and they dont and getting angry about is funny for me:)
do you understand me ?

cocoluvnihon 05-09-2007 04:27 AM

this is what i love soo much about japan the fact that i don't hav to tip hehe but besides that tipping is insulting because GOOD service is expected and that's the whole point and I believe it should be like that in america too :p

jasonbvr 05-09-2007 04:35 AM

No tipping is great, but sometimes I do go into like the Skylark and wish there were more than two servers running the whole place.

Mothling 05-12-2007 08:27 PM

I actually find the way that tipping is so expected in America to be quite rude to be totally honest.

When I visited, my friends were always like "You must leave a tip, its how they do things here," and I would simply reply "If they deserve a tip, then I'll tip what I think they deserve."

One diner in LA actually put the tip charge on the bill! Safe to say, they didn't get one.

Ron 05-12-2007 08:39 PM

Tip more my heart pain..... Tip less my ear pain.. so no tipping is great:vsign:

cocoluvnihon 05-13-2007 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mothling (Post 123167)
I actually find the way that tipping is so expected in America to be quite rude to be totally honest.

When I visited, my friends were always like "You must leave a tip, its how they do things here," and I would simply reply "If they deserve a tip, then I'll tip what I think they deserve."

One diner in LA actually put the tip charge on the bill! Safe to say, they didn't get one.

I agree I think we can learn a lot from Japan when it comes to being polite and the environment :p

Mattleninja 05-28-2007 07:03 PM

I like the rule, I've never tipped in England...I don't think people do tip in England anyway.

But it saves me money if I don't have to tip, so it's all good.

kyodiru 06-25-2007 11:38 AM

I have never tipped in Japan, and I dont know anyone who has. The only thing that I have heard about is sometimes people will "tip" the taxi driver or something, if they dont want to bother with the change and just tell them to keep the change. I did hear on another forum one time about someone tipping in a resturant here, and they split it between all of the employees.

vulgarshudder 06-25-2007 01:19 PM

Tipping in England is an annoying trend of recent years. 9 times out of 10 they don't deserve it. I'll only tip IF they haven't given me agro.

No tipping in Japan is awesome, the service charge is included in the bill if there is one. No tipping and top rate service still...it's how it should be.

And uh you don't tip hosts. You can give 'underhand' money to you shimei host buuuut management for obvious reasons doesn't like it. The idea is to spend more money at the club (if you weally weallllly rove them), so they get a cut of the sales and it goes towards their monthly uriage, and if they're in the top 3 or so sales they'll get a bonus.

jasonbvr 06-25-2007 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mothling (Post 123167)
I actually find the way that tipping is so expected in America to be quite rude to be totally honest.

When I visited, my friends were always like "You must leave a tip, its how they do things here," and I would simply reply "If they deserve a tip, then I'll tip what I think they deserve."

One diner in LA actually put the tip charge on the bill! Safe to say, they didn't get one.

It's expected because waiters/waitresses make below the minimum wage. Average hourly rate for a server in NC is 2.35 an hour which basically pays for your income tax. What you make in tips is what you live off of. But, shitty service and I give a shitty tip. If it is honestly not the server's fault then, I complain to the restaurant, get the meal for free and tip the server.

SgtBeavis 06-25-2007 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonbvr (Post 161282)
It's expected because waiters/waitresses make below the minimum wage. Average hourly rate for a server in NC is 2.35 an hour which basically pays for your income tax. What you make in tips is what you live off of. But, shitty service and I give a shitty tip. If it is honestly not the server's fault then, I complain to the restaurant, get the meal for free and tip the server.

Exactly. I ALWAYS tip. But I've tipped as little as one penny (wrote it on the receipt too)

Our customs are just different than those in Japan. When in Rome...........

Kanji_The_Wanderer 06-26-2007 02:10 AM

To me it makes sense why they would think it is rude in you tip them.They are a prideful race I am sure, so if you give them extra money, they might take it as "I don't get paid much so you give me a tip because you have pitty on me"? Is it something like that?

Maku 06-26-2007 02:46 AM

I've never tipped or been tipped, so it makes no difference to me.
I've seen tipping almost like scrounging, but I guess that's because in the UK nobody tips anyone, so different cultures treat little gestures like that differently.


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