Originally Posted by Keaton421 (Post 666328)

Actually, my (Japanese) girlfriend has said this a lot too.

She says that in physique, Japanese males look weak (silly, effeminate hairstyles and stupid trendy clothes), and they don't possess qualities she considers manly, like any southern gentleman should be an expert in - independence, unwavering loyalty, honesty and honor, utmost respect for women, chivalry, fatherly qualities, decisive, stuff like that.

Japanese guys tend to be effeminate, clingy, and immature. And in general, they really don't know how to make a woman happy - they're mama's boys.

You won't read this in any book, but she said that Japanese men still subscribe to the Samurai way of treating women, as compared to the European knight; it's alright to love your wife and defend her honor, but you're above her and you shouldn't show too much love.

Her words, not mine

Originally Posted by TomoyaIchigo (Post 666329)

Like I asked... is reality always bitter? I dun think so... I have seen such guy n girl outside... but ya... obviously it's rare... but I was jux wondering if they r common in Japan...

Plus, hey you know what? Literature and Noval (or even manga) reflects the real culture of the writer's native country.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 666335)

I think your or your girlfriend's perceptions are as valid as an anime.

Seriously that's some ego you've got there. Reminds me of the South Park episode when the Japanese manage to inflitrate America by telling the Americans they all have big penises.

Originally Posted by Keaton421 (Post 666338)

Bwahahaha. I don't even know where to start.

You're telling me my girlfriend, who's Japanese born and bred, has perceptions about as valid as a cartoon? You, sir, are an idiot.

I know you've got a hard-on for the Japanese, but if you feel that your knowledge about Japanese males is better than a Japanese girl's, please, don't let me stop you brother.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 666339)

While she might come from a position which she can speak about the subject with some insight... if those words you wrote are indeed hers, and if she was speaking on behalf of ALL Japanese women rather than just herself then yes.. her perceptions are as valid as an anime's.

Originally Posted by Keaton421 (Post 666341)

I'm glad you rephrased your argument.

No, she's not speaking on behalf of all Japanese women. Did I ever say she did? Cridgit asked for some insight, and I gave insight on the subject from the only Japanese female that I have contact with on a regular basis. A very modest female who doesn't pretend to speak for anyone but herself.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 666345)

Well I felt that you presented her perceptions in a matter of fact way.

Whatever the truth is. There are "manly" Japanese males in the way you've described.

Which in your words means being "independent, of unwavering loyalty, honesty and honor, utmost respect for women, chivalry, fatherly qualities, decisive, stuff like that."

That goes for physique too.

Originally Posted by Keaton421 (Post 666328)

She says that in physique, Japanese males look weak (silly, effeminate hairstyles and stupid trendy clothes), and they don't possess qualities she considers manly, like any southern gentleman should be an expert in - independence, unwavering loyalty, honesty and honor, utmost respect for women, chivalry, fatherly qualities, decisive, stuff like that.

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 666355)

Japanese men tend to have smaller physiques than men from some other countries, but "weak" is a judgment call. So is "silly" and "effeminate". Her tastes are obviously coming into play here, and it is clear (after seeing pictures you posted) why she is dating you and not a "typical" Japanese guy.

If all Japanese women thought this way of all Japanese men, this island country would have been decimated ages ago.