Well, as one of myk's "saints" (so wrong!) I would agree with all of this.;)
When all I want is a fun, though there are other factors, most of the decision is based on a physical assessment.

Not so much on the face (or equipment, since it wasn't bared), but on the guy's muscle tone, general build, his hands, and most of all, how he moved. They are all clues to how well he might "perform"; which is almost always more important than size.

But these days, there is usually so much time leading up to such things that first they have to impress me as a person, because I know I am going to be dealing with the guy socially for much longer than any physical act.

It's just occured to me that perhaps "size" in some sense does matter in Japan but maybe not how everyone thinks. It reminds me about those anime that have girls attacked by tentical monsters, Perhaps that's based on a fear of size? The monsters tend to be "outsiders".

ok ok guys ... are we really have to talk about man pride ?!! LOL...

I know peoples who really care about it, they tend to make *IT BIGGER and LOnger* ...
I ask them what's the secret...they always answer like:
just the right chemistry and you can add 1-4 inch with 4-6cm diameter xD ..(but finally i gain the info .. will try it when matured xD)

but yea 4 inch is average for asian peoples >>> some have less ...like 2 inch wahaha..that's the SMALL ASIAN joke come from! -.-

5-6 tend to be average for all other races ...




OFcourse size matters !!! that's why they *do it* with objects(i hope i don't say it too dirty) ..:D

I'm pretty sure the average is near enough the same for both races, and someone posted a comment here eariler with evidence to that effect, I'm sure. Plus they'll always be someone "small" in any race, the '2 inch' you mentioned isn't just limited to Japanese, so I doubt that alone would have led to the jokes or stereotypes.

Personally I don't get the point of this thread, I also don't get why size is such a big deal, and if anyone could enlighten me I would be interested in hearing it. I mean it doesn't even make sense for people searching for sexual relationships, no one meets a guy and automatically knows his size in order to judge it, it's not as though he walks about with it on show . . . and if he did you'd have bigger problems than what his size was.

Well... it is a big deal. Not the most important thing of course, if a guy is really bad at sex, having a huge penis won't make a difference but... in most cases, a "big size" makes it better rather than worse, if you know what I mean :rolleyes:

That's true with vagina's too. I'm pretty average so it's never been an issue... though some definitely felt better than others... but a guy with a small penis and a woman with a big vagina is going to be a problem (not an insurmountable one though depending on how open minded both people are)... same with a guy with a huge penis and a woman with a small vagina (ditto).

crikey you people how many do you try out for size

is it their noses that are small or maybe their ears.arms--legs------

if thats all you care about the opposite sex--well i think you are shallow in your thinking.

if you make love with someone who means something to you there's other ways to achieve satisfaction.


its not what you do--but the way that you do it.

this thread is really shallow.

It's not shallow to admit bigger is better. It's shallow to admit that size is all that matters and I don't think anyone has done that.

The reality is that if a woman has a big vagina and I am attracted to her then I don't care about the fact that a tighter, smaller vagina feels better.

I imagine it's the same with most women regarding penis size.

So I guess the overall point is: certain attributes are a huge bonus, but it isn't all that matters? Ah, yeah, I can kind of see where you guys are coming from now. Although I'm somewhat traumatised by all I've read, I guess I can put it down to 'education', lol.

Whilst we're on the topic of 'sizes', I've always wondered what the stance on breasts is - like is 'bigger better' for those too? I'll risk a generalistion and stereotype by saying Asian women tend to have smaller chests, so I wonder if culture played a part in a person's aesthetic preferences to chest size too. Apologies for taking the topic somewhat in an off-topic direction, but what better time to ask XD

lol.. google hitomi tanaka and your stereotype about Japanese women's chests will be shattered. (If you really want to appreciate what I'm talking about... use google images and take safesearch off lol)

My current gf has small breasts.. but I'm more of a legs man and more important than one attribute is the complete figure and the proportion.

An in shape woman with small breasts can be attractive (Keira Knightly for example). An out of shape woman with huge breasts is not.

But then again... one of my friends loves breasts no matter what the rest of her body looks like so it's just my personal opinion of course.

Bottom line is that there is somebody out there for everybody.. not in the cheesy romantic bullsh*t type way... but in the context of physical compatibility.

If one's thinking is as limited as to only consider what we are discussing, that would be shallow. But for purposes of discussion, this limitation is succinct and on topic (for once!), not shallow.

But I completely agree that it is still all up to skill, even when the primary issue is size and fit,

quite honestly--if women are concerned about the size then how many will they try before being satisfied.


I despise this way of thinking.

As many as it takes I guess, which would say a lot about their character. But I really don't think most women are size queens; they'd be miserable if they were. Most guys are average. Hence: average. lol

I don't think that's the implication, so to speak. Judging from what the others have said women would be willing to overlook a smaller size if other factors were good . . . if a guy was attractive, kind, 'talented' in that area then size wouldn't be a huge issue. It's just a bonus if a guy is larger. So it's not so much a case of women trying out as many as possible until they find the 'right' size . . .

Ah, of course, I may have misunderstood what has been said. If that's the case then yes, you may have a point . . . but I'm going to go with the more optimistic interpretation until someone says 'no, you're wrong', lol.

Seriously, depending on the position, "average" can seriously hurt. Or maybe I`m below average down there?

I find the very idea of something huge going in there flat out terrifying. I think I would cringe and run.
But, well, I never looked into guys for their size or prowess in bed. To be quite honest, I find the idea that a guy is great in bed / has great technique, etc, a complete turn off. I avoided those types of guys like the plague. Great in bed = lots of experience = slept with lots of women. Nope, not my thing.

All but two of the guys I have been with were virgins, and the other two had only been with one other woman. My husband was a virgin. :mtongue: If he`d been some master between the sheets, I highly doubt we`d have ever even dated.

Jeezus, I'm not saying I'm going to fuck every guy I meet until I find the one with the biggest dick. BUT of all the men I've been with, my best sexual experiences have been with the ones packing up big. I'm not saying size is all that matters, but it does matter. To me anyway, it's what experience has taught me. I'm not saying it's a universal truth or anything, if other women don't think size is an issue then good for them.

I was gonna say the exact same thing. I'm 20 and I've only had sex with my one and only (soon to be ex) boyfriend. And yeah, it hurts D: He's younger than me so we've had sex quite a bit and while it seems to hurt less over time, it's a far cry from feeling good. I mean, it hurts to pee and walk afterward. He's not "huge" either (like 5-6 inches-- I'm not gonna measure the damn thing :mtongue: ) I feel fortunate he's inexperienced (that is, super quick). Yeeeaaaah, a smaller guy sounds nice. ;) And I also agree with you on liking guys who are more innocent. (I hope that doesn't sound creepy...)

I find it amuseing that a larger % of women seem to find the "experianced" guy a turn off. Honestly, if guys knew that, there would be so much less "locker room" talk back in highschool. :o I mean really, who needed the drama anyway? :rolleyes:

There is definitely such a thing as too long or too big. It's a major burden for some men...
I'll try to leave it at that...

And thats the point^^ where do you guys think is all that Drama about size and experience coming from?

Did we gave ourself all that Drama just for the fun? Not at all^^ so there must be some truth behind it ;) and more then just that!

but also this phenomena is only coming from the Western Society.. Asian couldn't care less about it.

lol, that's so far from the truth it's ridiculous
BobbyCooper your track record for absolutely incorrect statements is starting to topple BJL

they do? Of course when you go out in a Bar or Club which is filled with Western guys you will also find Asian girls who of course prefer tall Western guys. Thats why they are there where you go out to make Party.

But I am talking about the norm here, the average Asian girl marrys an average Asian boy and because of that Asian girls don't have a choice to care and do not care about somebodys copulatory organ.

Otherwise if your theory is right then why all these Asian marriages lol

kinda hard for me to figure out actually^^

Might be cause most Asian women, cause of their average physical characteristics, have no need for a bigger size and they can just get satisfied with what's average for most Asian men.

However, I believe size is an issue in every race. The bigger the better. Period.

No, they just do not care.. maybe like you pointed out because they do not have to because of mother nature like I pointed out a couple of pages back.

But most likely it is because of different values and a totally different mentally then ours. A totally different society and a totally different way on how to being raised.

Or do you think Afircan girs or Aborigines care about stuff like that? Nope not at all, it's not even in there mind.

Of course it's on their mind! Maybe they just don't show their insatisfaction for whatever reason having to do with culture, but if a woman is not being sexually satisfied she's gonna know and be frustrated, unless she's never experienced what it's like to have a super-epic fuck.

Of course she doesn't how should she? It's normal to her and her friends. It's a totally different world which you like to compare to Western people here. They couldn't care less about an awesome fuck, because what they have at home is normal and probably how it should be.

So you think African Girls or Aborigines girls outside in the intertribal care about a size of a dick? You are kidding right?

It's something which is so far away and unimportant to them, you wouldn't even believe it. Much more important things are important for them and the Asian girls.

Why do you think of Asia as some kind of far away land where women are not allowed to enjoy sex?

Most women in their 20ies are likely to have had at least one orgasm in their lives (by having sex with a man or by masturbating), so they know what sex should feel like. Besides, everyone has watched a sex scene in a movie and knows sex is supposed to feel good, even little kids know that, so any woman who's old enough to practice sex knows the feeling she should be getting throughout an act of sex. In any place where sex isn't taboo, a woman will try to enjoy sex and reach an orgasm, and if she doesn't she will be frustrated and maybe blame part of it on her partner's penis size. It's really not a hard conclusion to jump to, especially if she's had previous satisfying experiences with other men.

As for African tribal women, who may not know how great sex can be for a woman or may not openly discuss their experiences with other women, they still must have enjoyed some of it at times, so when they don't get satisfied they can still feel frustration and acknowledge their sex life isn't going as great as it could be going. Women get horny all the same everywhere around the world. Unless, of course, they are told they are not supposed to like it (which sadly is still happening within some cultures) or they only do it for the purpose of procreating. But if we're talking cultures that regard sex as a way of enjoyment then size surely is an issue for all women.

I know that was very exagerrated what I was saying, however my previous points stand. They just don't care as much or at all as Western do.

Because they were raised differently and enjoy a different mentality of life.

Where a size of dick comes very far behind other things. There are of course always exceptions, but like we said earlier.. Mother Nature made everthing for a reason right :)

This is getting stupid.

You're both just making stuff up.

Suki isn't qualified to talk about what ALL women want and BobbyCooper isn't qualified to talk about what ALL people of a particular race want.

Not to mention that you're ignoring the fact that the difference in averages between the races isn't all that much.

The difference is the difference which is presented by mother nature Ronin. Japanese girls are small and very petite and so are Japanese mens.

Western are a little taller and not as petite and so are Western girls.

Thats what mother nature gaves us, thats all.

And the fact that Asians live by different principles should be clear also.

This is not a correct assumption about Japan. I have talked with Japanese women concerning size, and of course it matters in some respects, after all not all Japanese guys are the same size. In any case, I think if a girl likes the guy she is with she will not care so much about his size. This goes for Japan, and I think American (where I am from) society too.

Have you ever been to Asia? I'm 183cm (6ft) and there are LOTS of people taller than me in Japan, China, Hong Kong, Singapore.

There are LOTS of women that are curvy too.

There may not be "as many" as there are in the West but they are there and they are noticeable.

Just like in the West there are petite women and short men.

I know there are Ronin and yes I have been to Asia.

However, the average is much smaller then 183cm and the average is what we are discussing here not individuals.


And everybody should know that Asians live by complete different principles, I don't even understand why we are discussing this.

Is it not true that all women who have sex for enjoyment want to cum and get pleasure out of it?

It's not true that all women want a bigger dick inside them or really even care about dick size. In fact we've already had one woman on here say that she would prefer a smaller one to her current boyfriend's very average 5-6 incher so I rest my case.

Um.. no you were discussing opinions on certain matters, not numbers. (Saying Asian women don't care about size)

lol.. name a principle that Asians live differently by. The particulars might be a bit different but by and large they're the same principles.

um..no I wasn't!

Way wrong! They are way different!

It's a complete different mentality and this is because they have been raised way differently and I am not even talking about the more poorer Asian parts like South-East-Asia here. Because there it's much more bold.

You really think people are all the same or what is into you ?

have you been to Asia lol

if so you should be able to fully understand my side pretty easily if you haven't spend your time in a bar full of Western every day.

Yeah, right.

But it is true that, IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES, a bigger penis -in conjunction with other abilities a man should have gained through experience- makes it easier for a woman to fully reach an orgasm. Again, I repeat, I'm not saying it's the same for every woman, I'm saying in most cases, and I'm not saying having a big dick is all it takes, I'm saying it HELPS and makes it easiER.

Um... Yes you were




You don't know what you're talking about.

so you surrender already?

read what I wrote one more time Robin and read the word average please. Also please tell me Asian principles are the same as Western please lol?