lol.. Vast majority of cases? You mean you and your friends?

Never mind that women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes aswell... bigger might be better if you have a bigger vagina.. but if you have a small vagina then bigger is going to hurt.

Anyway that's not really what I was getting at. I mean I don't have an issue with what you're saying rather how you're presenting it. You were talking as though this was some sort fact. But really.. it's just your anecdotal argument.

Why do you think the problem is that I think you're talking about everyone? My problem is that YOU AREN'T QUALIFIED to even talk about the "average Asian woman and her opinion".

And Western principles and Asian principles are mostly the same.

Love your parents.
Try your best in life.
Obey the law.
etc. etc.

Where they differ is not in the principles themselves but how they're adhered to.

But you've failed to even explain how this supposed "East West divide" is relevant to the topic. All you've done is mention it that it's there.

Ronin, stereotypes are so for a reason. Tell me most of the women you know wouldn't go for a dick slightly over the average size rather than one that was slightly smaller. There's a reason for that. If you had a woman choose between two identical man the only difference being their penis dimensions, she'd most likely take the one with the larger penis. This is a fact for most of the women I know. You won't have men laughing at how large some other guy's dick is cause it's a virtue rather than something to be embarrassed about, which doesn't happen when it's the other way around.

I've actually had this conversation with some of the women I know/knew which probably forms the basis of my opposition to what you're saying. Some were girlfriends at the time and some were just friends.

Some said that anything over average "was a bit uncomfortable" for them (though even then, many of them had some different ideas about what "average" was) and some said that bigger was better and one even wanted a smaller one (admittedly she was kinda innocent and was a bit squeamish just talking about putting something up there).

You know what I really hate? People telling me what I should want because I`m a woman - and don`t all women want the same things? Sure, you can toss "most" and "majority" in there to cover what you consider rare exceptions, but you`re still saying that as a woman I should want this or that.

I`ve heard the same thing about circumcision - the majority of women would choose a circumcised penis over one that`s not.

It seems that women are constantly bombarded with messages telling them they should choose a bigger guy, they need a bigger guy, etc etc. I am willing to bet that your "choose from a guy with slightly larger vs. slightly smaller" scenario would be true just as much (if not more) with virgins as those with experience. Why? Because we`re told that a bigger dick is better. I am also willing to guess that there are plenty of women out there who don`t like feeling stretched to the point of pain, but who don`t want to admit it because they SHOULD like a bigger guy. (I have personally met more women who fit this category than the ones who want a huge guy.)

Something I find a bit funny... In Japan, you don`t see the type of "It`s so big!" stuff - "It`s so hard!" is the "porno phrase" here. You don`t see size being pushed, nor do you hear from women or men that "bigger is better". It`s not pushed in media - in fact, most of the women`s magazines here emphasize finding a "good fit for you". In a recent survey in one of the more popular ones, average as best got close to 75% of the votes. Everyone I have talked to about it here is stunned at the prevalence of "large for more pleasure" in western media, and can`t understand why anyone would care unless it was much larger or much smaller than average (both negatives).

So, umm, yeah... If you like big, then that`s perfectly fine. It`s you and your personal experience. But there is a cultural push, and undoubtedly a placebo effect behind some of it.

Yeah.. well said.

I think it's the same with guys and certain body parts to some extent though I've always been pretty candid with what I find attractive.

For example breasts... I really don't care about them. I'm supposed to like them though according to all the media out there. And while I admit that I find big ones fascinating to an extent... It's not in a "damn that's hot" kinda way. It's more in a "Holy sh*t did you see that?" kinda way.

Suki; Perhaps it would be easier if you simply stated. As a personal preference, YOU perfer bigger guys, who know how to use "It". That seems to be the gist of your arguement. Least as I'm understanding it. :confused:

Here's what I find ridiculous about this thread.

No one can make a generalization without being attacked by the qualification police and exception pushers.

Sure many women don't care about size.
Those who do, however, will most of the time prefer larger over smaller.
All other things being equal, skill and endurance etc, larger will get the preference by those women who do care about size.

The other ridiculous thing is BobbyCooper's holy crusade to uphold asian values, on this and other threads. You're so far off base it's ridiculous. There are equally as many asian as non-asian women who are and aren't obsessed or worried about sexual performance based on any reason, including penis size.

Your ridiculous notion that asian people have some vastly different set of morals is so obscene to anyone who knows the truth. You need to change your opinion or shut up and stop spreading this bullshit before other asia-fanatics believe and keep spreading your nonsense.

In different ways, Japanese culture is equally as immoral as western culture.
If you disagree with this statement, start a separate thread about it and get your thoughts sorted out there with people who DO know a lot more about the matter than you do.

Geez dude shut up.

I have nothing against generalizations.

But for me to agree with one, at the very least they have to correspond with my perceptions.

Hint: It's not the generalizations that are the problem... it's the fact that they're perceived to be wrong and not percieved as being true by those that oppose them.

Get that through your head.

omg lol^^ so you truly believe that do you? Maybe you should stop only hanging out with your Western dudes for a little while maybe? That would be a good start.

I speak from my own experience and if you believe that Western standards also apply to Asians, well then you are sooooo far off and have no clue what so ever!

Actually, it's a complete different world.. that should give you an Idea!

I am not even bothering anymore.. absolutely ridiculous!!!

Hey James, I know you've been living in Japan for a while now and you've stopped hanging out with Westerners to improve your Japanese but you don't know a thing about Japanese people when compared to Bobby Cooper. He's lived among these majestic creatures for 6 months, he's a regular Jane Goodall!

Don't laugh at BC, he knows the truth of this world, "asians aren't like us"! :rolleyes:

Maybe they came from Mars...

i agree Stoner/James, Bobby is god when it comes to understanding Asians, his wisdom transcends our perceptions because he slept in the same bed with an asian person for a minimum of 2 days.. if that does not spell wisdom and intimacy beyond our combined years of experience here, then I do not know who I should bow to. Bobby sensei...continue to bestow us your wisdom of Asians.. you are but a god amongst men... bridge our peoples and show us the light oh great one!! Only you understand.. only you know what it means to be Asian. Your insight into Asian culture stands above all, 6 months living with the Asians clearly only you know them.. only you can defend their legacy!! Teach us my lord!

Don't have a single western friend here, which is a character flaw of mine actually.
You didn't read my post, I said in different ways, not that they apply, just that they are equally bad.
The little old ladies in backwoods USA are just as sweet and nice as the ones in the rice fields here, the jerks that pimp out whores to pay for their mistresses new handbags are just as immoral here as they are anywhere else, if anything more common.
Your supreme Japanese morals and ethics are non-existent outside of your mind. They are simple different, by no stretch of the imagination better or worse.
There is a darkness here that most who haven't lived here, and even many who do, are entirely ignorant of.

StonerPenguin, protheus, RockOShay, you guys rock :)

If this is going to turn into a pissing contest, then the thread will be closed.

Why don't you have any Western friends in Japan, if you don't mind me asking?

And no, they aren't equally bad. They are just wonderful! Asian might have a lot of flaws in there culture and countrys.. however, the people are just wonderful. If you like to comapre these lovely people to your average Western.. then please feel free, but I am not gonna support that!

I admit that Japan in particular might be one if not THE most Western similar country there is in Asia, because of it's high standards and economy.

I don't know where you have been in Asia, but if all you have seen is Japan.. then your opinion isn't qualified, just as mine means nothing when I am talking about Japan.. even though I've lived with these lovely people.

They are very different people James and different in a much more beautiful way. If you truly believe there thoughts and mind is equally to the Western.. then you don't know what you are talking about.


It does mean something when I am saying that they are two different Worlds!!! Even though they share the same air and soil.

It's clear, they are indeed from Mars!

Perhaps it's knew to you, but yes there are different types of human beings living on the same planet. Sorry if I bust your bubble^^

The most unique difference which you can witness on planet earth, is the difference between Asia and the Western Society expecially America and Europe.

People are different YES, because people live a different life!!! A different environment with a different Religion and with a different mindset and different manners. YES!!!

I hope I didn't betrayed to much now lol^^

I can tell you first hand that I am well below the normal size for either Americans or Japanese. It's never bothered me though. I don't focus on it, because I have Naruto and other things to keep me occupied like Kobe Bryant and the Lakers who are going for the hattrick and will get it.

troll much?

I really can't understand how you can talk for all the asians...after meting 20 to 100 and something individuals out of almost 3 billions of them, and all of which you met were sociable type personality (you can call them travelers). You really need to open at least a bit your mind, ASIAtopia doesn't exist. It's just normal people living their lives, day by day, with good and bad mixed together on another continent, not another "planet" as you keep insinuating it to be.

I think it's safe to assume somebody was tripping some serious balls during super magical Asian fun time.

I've traveled througout South-East Asia!!!

maybe you should visit Asia first, before we talk about such a serious topic. Otherwise you will never understand.. and I am the last person to blame ya.

also, you can't call it a different continent because Australian's aren't as different as Europeans or Americans.

Thats why I call Asia a different Planet on our Planet Earth!

They can't be from Mars, cause I am and I never saw them there. :eek:

i wonder if asians and humans are compatible, reproductively, or morally...
i mean as a human i wouldn't allow cheetah-morals into my society...

I have tried to keep the smirk off my face as I read the "wisdom" of people with so "much experience" when it comes to sex and Asian culture. But I cannot abide misinformation and conclusions made about entire genders or races based on the extremely limited information of one person's experience.

Of course I am assuming that no one here has earned their living studying the subject at hand as either a medical/psychology researcher or as an active participant in the sex trade for many decades without disclosing your "credentials". If I am wrong, speak up.

As for the OP's issue, it is not a foregone conclusion that "most women" prefer larger sized genitalia. As for this generalizations being based on a lengthy anecdotal history, it is to be kept in mind that until fairly recently the only open discussion of the concept was predominately restricted to males. And being male, it was in their best interests to promote a correlation between a dominant size and prowess.

According to the feedback I received as a lecturer on AIDS prevention and later on sexual techniques, the aforementioned conclusion is erroneous. The predominate preference of the women with whom this subject was discussed on numerous occasions over that 5 years, was that a preference for larger genitalia was far less evident than the media, or discussion in this thread, would lead one to believe. Additionally, when the discussions were shifted to their dislikes, larger penises were similarly objected to on an almost equal basis as those deemed too small, and with even more vehemence.

So Ronin, I would say I have met several hundred women of various sexual orientations that would agree with your assessments, though it seems I am the only one here doing so.

Well said. I don't think anyone can argue with what you've just said. Either from a rational angle or from an anecdotal one.

I am not a troll. I love anime and I am just telling the truth. Size doesn't matter, that's what most women I have been with have told me when I brought it up. I'm just saying that people focus too much on masculine aspects of other guys instead of just accepting that we are all humans.

Seriously, not a troll.

What I said before, if the girl likes the guy she is with, she is not going to care.

20 pages about penis size. Freud would have loved this.:D

As a man I particularly enjoy talking about penises, especially in a competitive manner! It's great for feeling superior over others who I should really know are my equals.

I wonder if the entire conversation can be applied to breast sizes and still hold true...
Do you think bigger is better? :)

maybe they just didn't want to hurt your feelings?

I don't think that's it. I was dating one girl for a few weeks and she never mentioned it. We broke up because she decided she wanted to just be alone and not involved. I've had plenty of girls tell me I am good in bed. I don't sweat it.

I guess because of my origin (Paki), I am accustomed to not considering that aspect of myself as important. Paki men are not horses however we still please our women. Women are more interested in how you treat them than the size of your penis.

So I doubt anyone would just not say anything if they thought it was an issue.

What if she really likes the guy but can't get satisfied sex-wise and believes the size of her partner's penis might be the reason (or one of the many)? She is going to care.


:smokingbear:

Same as James, I Love the feeling that all the girls and even boys just take a look at my fingers and already know that I am far above average size.

You don't even need to drop your pants first^^ they already know haha

It's an awesome feeling no doupt about that :D

if she really loved him they both would find a way.

God the obsession with the size.

I wonder how millions of couples have ever survived without having to see if the partner Fits.

It makes me feel sick--Relationships should have nothing to do with the intimate physical measurements. You either really love somebody--and adjust.

Or don't have the relationship.

Why not just get a vibrator-- then you don't need a partner.

do they know that you are retarded for thinking that there is an actual connection between fingers and penis size?

LOL

Bobby got pwned. :mtongue:

At the risk of playing devil's advocate . . . I don't think millions of couples did survive back in the days where sex before marraige was a so-called 'no-no', where they dedicated their lives to one person without sexual relations before marraige . . .

I mean look throughout history and at the various cultures that didn't "try for a fit" first. I struggle to remember the eras exactly, but I'm sure in the Tudor era (or there abouts) it was very common to marry solely for political/practical reasons, and expected for both men and women to take extra-marital partners. In modern day it's still not great, there's many arranged marraiges that are abusive and/or partners going outside of the marraige for love/pleasure. Think of all the many affairs that people have, too.

I agree that size isn't all that matters. I think love is very important in a relationship, but - for many people - sexual pleasure is also important. People have needs and desires and expectations, and if someone isn't sexually fulfilled or having their needs met then they will be frustrated. I can't comment on whether size makes a huge difference or not, but if some people can't get pleasure from a certain size then they can't get pleasure from that partner. A relationship - that's healthy - should be one where both partners are having their needs met, whether monetary or emotional or intellectually or sexually, and if someone isn't having a need met then they aren't happy.

If you're in love with someone then maybe you can get past any differences like that, but nowadays people don't wait until they're in love to have sex, and so sexual compatibility is an issue and there isn't an 'undying love' there that would incite one to look past these differences.

Well, you obviously have no clue :D

or does the height from a men also has nothing to do with it lol^^ the one come with the other obviously^^