Mod Consistency.
 

You guys do a good job for the most part. But how about some consistency?

I get banned for starting flame wars... yet certain members are not only allowed to get away with things that I'm not (cussing out other members for example)... they are allowed to post racist comments.

Either let me and other members get away with the same things or be consistent with your disciplinary procedures.

Thank you

That doesn't necessarily mean it's mod's fault. Sometimes mod's rely on "good samaritans" who report faulty posts. Maybe you were just unlucky and got reported :D

Cancer. You'll have this attitude until you get a pointless ban.

I actually felt like Quailboy's 1-2 day ban was pointless.

It's not that I really cared for Duckboy. Just pointing out that people should not jump and say 'Mods are gods' while others might have had different experiences.

I love how you made sure you don't care about Aaron.....good cover

I don't.

10char

Sorry, I meant, I love how make sure we know you don't care about Aaron

In Tenchu's "who is your hero" thread.. page 15.

This is blatant flaming by Tenchu.. (also a regular member who also fails to get along with most). I highlighted the "go fuck yourself" part because not only was I banned for similar behaviour against Belyvis... I was banned by (I think Clairebear maybe? or someone else) for these EXACT same words prior to that (except I had the courtesy to follow MMM's suggestion thread prior to that which appealed to the use of *'s to censor the fuck part)

Furthermore on page 1 of the same thread. I don't know how you could be more racist than this.

That is what I was talking about. I mean whether you ban Tenchu or not is up to you. I'm not really calling for that as I can handle the shit he throws my way. But this is what I'm talking about when I appeal for mod consistency.

Just thought I'd throw that up here again....

As far as I remember Tenchu has censored the f**k part, maybe he forgot or something.

But hey, I can't imagine you without Tenchu. You are like flame buddies. One can't live without the other.

Ronin, I really hate to bring out somewhat "personal" stuff like this... But I assure you, you take the cake for number of people offended and upset about your posts.
In the past 2 months or so, I`ve gotten one complaint about Tenchu... And close to 30 about you. Mostly for flaming and language...

Wow... really? Well whatever... little of this has been brought to my attention. And I have been trying to tone it down. Furthermore, obviously you guys haven't seen it fit to discipline me regarding these complainst you say you've had so it's irrelevant.

But your image is inaccurate (and childish) because I'm complaining about lack of consistency.. not about Tenchu's behaviour.

But if you can give Tenchu the green light for the above (despite him clearly breaking the rule regarding racism)... then I will not be so conscious about what I say anymore.

Also regarding Belyvis... I believe that he gave as good as he got... the only difference was that I could handle what he said but he felt it necessary to go crying to you guys.

In this thread, you`re complaining that Tenchu did not get the treatment that you believe he should receive.

Either way, that really doesn`t matter.

Mods are people capable of watching the patterns of a user. This means that we actually noticed that you were toning things down.
We`re also capable of deciding whether a user meant harm, was trying to be deliberately insulting, is trying to start a flame war, etc - and change our decisions based on this. If you decide to stop toning down what you say, we`ll notice that too and act appropriately. And I am sure that quite a few users will be more than happy to see you go should you be banned. Most certainly not just Belyvis.

None of the rules here are set in stone. They are all open to interpretation by the mods, and some of us interpret them in different ways or have differing opinions on how severe a punishment some things deserve. We frequently discuss these things (out of view of the regular user) when making decisions about bans, thread removals, etc. The history of a user is taken into account - a new user who flames in the first few posts is pretty certain to get a perm ban... But one who has made good contributions in the past may only get a temp ban... And a longstanding member who has made mostly good contributions their entire time here is likely to get off with a warning and having the posts removed. We`re not machines.

I will also add that I`m usually in favor of short term bans - even the 1 day ones. Why? Because it puts an immediate stop to a problem that may escalate into something that warrants more serious action. I`d rather see a generally good user have a day off than to get hit with a week or two - or even perm - due to a lapse of judgement. Sometimes having a forced few hours off to think can prevent that.

OK fair enough.. that sounds reasonable explanation of how things work... and I agree you guys aren't machines and I acknowledge that for the most part you guys do a decent job.

However... Perhaps it's just me... but I think implying "black moderates" (as opposed to who? black extremists?) are in need of an education is definitely crossing some sort of line. It wasn't even prompted by something said earlier (It was the OP in which he made this statement).

It was really random and I was offended by it (and to those who are about to respond "But you're not black"... you don't have to be of a the particular race to which offense was intended to be offended by racism).

Dude, you didn't even notice that comment until it was quoted by someone pages down the line! Why not just contact the mods and highlight this point?

You were very active in that thread, yet you didn't notice it until someone showed you(which also shows very clearly that you don't read peoples posts, and you just argue for the sake of it... a complaint I'm sure many people have against you), so how do you expect the mods to know about it?

Do you really think they have the time to read every post on this forum?
They need our help! Like you calling me an idiot for example, do you really think that they just choose to read your posts because you think you're such an erudite individual:rolleyes: ? Someone told them, and it got sorted!

Also, in the future, when you highlight someones use of swear words, it might be a good idea to not use them yourself in the same post... It just looses its effect and makes you look like a hypocrit!

Just out of interest, what is the length of a standard ban here? I ask because I was a member of another forum and felt the bans to be rather weak. They should serve as a deterrent and not just be a slap on the wrist but that's just my opinion.

It seems I've been twice as active as you and I never got a ban.

Well, good for you. Care to answer the question?

Depends on what you call a standart ban. Usually, bans are permanent... only special cases are with 1 day ban or 1 week ban.

Aha, wow, that's pretty heavy. Thanks for the info there, Phantom :)

It's that way in most forums. Break the rules once and you get a warning. If you do it again... then a ban awaits you.

Now it comes to the mods to judge how much he broke the rule e.g. severe racism should be associated with permanent ban.

Also, if it's about active members like Tenchu mods usually discuss it further before removing a member that has contributed a lot to this community so far.

True enough. I just thought you phrased it that permanent bans were easy to get landed with but you clarified the position in the second part.

Permanent bans are harsh but often warranted.

Nyororin already pointed out that the mods can't filter everything (something that I admit should be obvious if I had thought about it). But thanks for repeating her point while trying to get one up on me. Shows your maturity :rolleyes:

(By the way... Hypocrite??? there is an obvious difference between my use of the word shit and Tenchu's use of the word fuck... but I'll let you figure that one out for yourself)

And it's irrelevant that I didn't catch it untill someone pointed it out. This thread is about mod consistency not about Tenchu. I'm not calling for his banning but as someone who was banned because people couldn't handle what I threw at them, it's sort of annoying when others display the same sort of behaviour.

I was talking about this, which you once again done in this last post... Stop trying to be a wise ass! You're not as smart as you think, and this internet ego of yours is pretty pathetic!

*sigh*
This thread doesn`t need to turn into a flaming fest. I`m closing it, as I think the Ronin got the information he wanted about moderation policies.