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04-27-2010, 10:24 PM

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The fact that you can be a legal citizen but stopped and forced to show your citizenship once, weekly, daily or hourly is government sponsored harassment.

Forcing one group of legal citizens to carry a different level of identification than other groups is discrimination.
How so? Again I don't see race written anywhere in that bill.

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Because it isn't enforced. Government isn't in the business of harassing big business because by hiring illegals Arizona businesses can keep prices down.
So then why would we think this new law will work if immigrants consistently use fake papers? A business owner should have the same ability (no more or less) to identify false paperwork as law enforcement officials. If not they should not be hiring immigrant workers. Same standards should be held.
No argument here. No problem with enforcing the law here either; just isn't going to solve the problem alone.

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No. Not if there is no work. Take the lollipop away and the ants disappear. It's that simple. Yes, it will. Take away the lollipop and the ants disappear.
No it is not that simple. The fact is the government will never be able to stop
businesses from hiring as that is just a piece of the illegal activities some of the businesses are involved in. No more than government will be able to stop all crime.

Secondly, even if there isn't work, they will still come because it is simply a better life just to survive the problems of their home country. The problem with that comes a drain on resources and eventually the rise in crime for those just trying to survive.


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This encourages the proactive hunting of undocumented residents by the use of "reasonable suspicion": a very vague and a bit frightening amount of power to give.
How would you do it then? Unreasonable suspicion? I have no problem with government proactively hunting undocumented residents. In fact they do this today.
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