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04-08-2009, 07:28 PM

My solution, a quick drop and a sudden stop.
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04-08-2009, 07:42 PM

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My solution, a quick drop and a sudden stop.
LOL

Dude, you just had to go there.
*Waits for the flamers*
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04-08-2009, 07:55 PM

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People have given there opinions on how to run the country, EVERY single time, Obama spouts "I won so I get my way". It's the deal with the so called "stimulus package" that was rushed through congress, without anytime to read what was in the stupid thing.
Obama hasn't taken that attitude at all. He's tried ridiculously hard to be bipartisan (too hard in fact) with all of his decisions. It's just unfortunate that the Republicans refuse to support any plans because they're too busy covering their ears and screaming about socialism. What you are talking about is the attitude that Bush took throughout his presidency. Bush constantly pushed for things that he knew the majority of the country did not support if it meant pleasing Exxon and Focus on the Family.

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there's a great guy from the British Parliament (he's on youtube) that pretty bluntly said you cannot spend, or barrow your way out of debt, it doesn't happen.
Except that it does happen. Crack open a history book. Spending on certain things revitalizes the economy by creating jobs and restoring communities. Do you know what historically doesn't help or make any sense at all?...

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STOP spending and conserve the money, with tax deductions. Others also have proposed to let companies fall (like real capitalism) and let the sort itself out.
Yes the economy will just magically get better if we stop spending money. Because that's how economies work; the less money you spend the better they become. It worked well in preventing the Great Depression, didn't it? Oh wait. Also, I love it when people just scream about capitalism and how it is always the savior. Capitalism is extremely broken and simply doesn't work without some form of governmental oversight. If we simply let all of these companies fail it would just throw us even deeper into the recession - people would lose the warranties on their cars, banks would close and people would lose their investments, housing foreclosures would increase. But don't worry because that's just CAPITALISM and I'm sure it will just rebound when we are all dead. Socialism works very well when mixed with capitalism. Without some form of socialism we wouldn't have libraries, highways, public schools, or countless other things you wouldn't even consider giving up.
This whole recession wasn't caused by Democrats, no matter what Sean Hannity tells you. Republicans were the ones who constantly removed vital regulations that helped stabilize our economy in the first place. Republicans were the ones who insisted on lower taxes for the extremely rich in the name of Reagan-Esq trickle down economics, which has been proven time and again to NOT WORK. Republicans have vilified the democratic party as tax-hungry communists and convinced people that you could somehow reduce debt without raising taxes.

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That's a difference on running a country isn't it? IThe problem is, Obama doesn't care for others opinions. It's like Tim Geithner wanting to take over Companies that he sees as a financial risk to US economy.
Except that, as I said before, Obama has bent over backwards to cooperate with Republicans and it has cost him too much. In order to get minor support the stimulus bill has been greatly weakened and he's postponed or given up on important oversights that are lacking from our country. The Republicans had their chance; they inherited a country that was stable and in good economic shape and managed to start two wars, cripple education, and thrust the country into an economic crisis. Now it's Obama's turn, and it's laughable to think that he would be able to undo 8 years of terrible legislation in a mere two months.
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04-08-2009, 09:21 PM

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My solution, a quick drop and a sudden stop.
I agree. But you know there's no chance in heck that these liberal tree-huggers will do that.


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04-08-2009, 09:30 PM

Obama... just like many other recent ex-presidents, he has no clue how to deal with North Korea.
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No one wants to get their hands dirty. Radiation can be a bit messy.
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04-08-2009, 11:28 PM

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People have given there opinions on how to run the country, EVERY single time, Obama spouts "I won so I get my way". It's the deal with the so called "stimulus package" that was rushed through congress, without anytime to read what was in the stupid thing. there's a great guy from the British Parliament (he's on youtube) that pretty bluntly said you cannot spend, or barrow your way out of debt, it doesn't happen. You know what the opposite was said? STOP spending and conserve the money, with tax deductions. Others also have proposed to let companies fall (like real capitalism) and let the system sort itself out. That's a difference on running a country isn't it? IThe problem is, Obama doesn't care for others opinions. It's like Tim Geithner wanting to take over Companies that he sees as a financial risk to US economy.
Proven example of previous statement. In all of that where is your opinion where is your fix? All i read was about what others have said i know what their views are i read it everyday.


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04-08-2009, 11:29 PM

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What about the US and China? Brotherly?

What does China prefer, a N. Korean communist neighbour, or a strong US military presence for the next 100 years right over the border?

Keep you friends far, your enemies even further.
Let's get away from this "brotherly" talk.

China supports North Korea to an extent but the relationship isn't without tension.
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04-08-2009, 11:32 PM

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Let's not make it sound like Bush had it easy.
Bush was bombarded with criticism and ridicule for the majority of his term.


Nicely played. I can relate to that argument, but I don't buy the way you've implemented it.
Again, a lot of negativity had been thrown Bush's way, despite the positive results that came from some of his decisions. So, according to your argument, Bush was treated somewhat unfairly also.

In the end, I'm not sure that's the right route to take.
That's almost a method of labeling all negativity unjustified or useless, and I'm sure you don't believe that. Criticism and negativity can be based on valid reasoning.

The President is in service of the people -- not the other way around. In this respect, criticism is an indication of a healthy democracy; it exemplifies the nature in the right of Freedom of Speech.

I'd also like to remind you that simply giving your own ideas can lead to criticism, especially when these ideas contradict or oppose that of the leader. In addition, not all suggestions are going to be logical and adequate.

I'm not excusing excessive negativity, but the difference between productive criticism and irrational pessimism should be clarified.

On a more personal note, I disagree with your "none of us have the stones to step up" statement. To put it simply: you don't know.
I agree with you and half the arguments or discussions around here proved to be productive i would not get as annoyed as i do. I believe as well healthy criticism is a sign of a healthy democracy. I patted Bush on the back when deserved it and i bashed when he deserved it. I will do the same to Obama but i am willing to give him some time in office before i start launching hellfire rockets his way the same way i handled Bush's term.


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04-08-2009, 11:54 PM

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I agree with you and half the arguments or discussions around here proved to be productive i would not get as annoyed as i do. I believe as well healthy criticism is a sign of a healthy democracy. I patted Bush on the back when deserved it and i bashed when he deserved it. I will do the same to Obama but i am willing to give him some time in office before i start launching hellfire rockets his way the same way i handled Bush's term.
Yes, the man has only been President for a few months.
I agree. I may be moderately more Conservative, but if there's anything I hate most in this world, it's irrationality; Obama can still earn my favor.

Like I said in my first post: We'll just have to see where this all ends up. There are still moves to be made.
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