Sickening Japanese porn - Pretty much SFW

[cranks]

Originally Posted by GoNative

As usual you don't really read what I write. It was not about a comparison of the amount of rapes it's about the system in which women feel ok to come forward and report rapes. It used to be very hard for women to do this in the west in the past but much has been done to improve it. Thus far little appears to have been done in Japan to make it easier for women here to come forward. Did you even look at the link I provided? I could provide many more if you want. This isn't just an issue from an outsiders perspective. There are numerous groups in Japan attempting to get things improved. Total numbers of rapes are another issue altogether. Currently in Japan though the numbers are barely known as so few are reported.

You have to give me a break it's hard for me to read English

I know what you are saying. It's not like I like to see 12 year olds in bikinis in provocative postures. It's not like I like Japanese political system. But again, you CLEARLY said Japan is backward. And you haven't taken it back.

It may be true. I find a lot of things about the US and the UK (sorry, I haven't lived in other countries) more advanced than Japan. But there are a lot of areas where I find Japan is more advanced, and especially when "THE NUMBER" is showing that the "VICTIMS" are less in Japan, I don't know why people from a country with more victims get all of the sudden more political. You didn't care about it when you were in your home country where the issue is even worse. Why now?

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by GoNative

I agree with protheus it's sickening whether it's legal, pesudo legal or illegal. Whatever form it takes it's exploitation of children and should be stopped in any country.

I still do not see it as different than any form of childhood modeling. All child modeling has adults calling the shots. The biggest difference between a child modeling a swimsuit in a clothing catalog and in a magazine is mostly the angle of the photo and the poses they choose to use. (In both cases, the children are asked to imitate poses of famous idols and other models.)

To the child, there is no real difference unless they are being told that it is sexual. For a child, it`s all innocent fun. The same goes for clothing - a little girl wearing revealing clothing isn`t exploitation, it`s fashion.

Either way, I don`t see it as good - but I also don`t see it as exploitation or something that should be banned. As long as no lines are crossed, I do not believe it harms the child.

I don`t really expect anyone to agree with me on this, but it is indeed my opinion... And likely quite a few others out there in Japan, which is why it does stay legal.

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by cranks

You have to give me a break it's hard for me to read English

I know what you are saying. It's not like I like to see 12 year olds in bikinis in provocative postures. It's not like I like Japanese political system. But again, you CLEARLY said Japan is backward. And you haven't taken it back.

It may be true. I find a lot of things about the US and the UK (sorry, I haven't lived in other countries) more advanced than Japan. But there are a lot of areas where I find Japan is more advanced, and especially when "THE NUMBER" is showing that the "VICTIMS" are less in Japan, I don't know why people from a country with more victims get all of the sudden more political. You didn't care about it when you were in your home country where the issue is even worse. Why now?

I did care in my home country!! I was the preisdent of a national human rights organisation in Australia. I was also president of state based environmental group. I don't know where you get the idea that I've only just started getting political with my move to Japan. Whilst in Australia I was extremely critical of many things there. I don't live there now, I live here and if I find things here that concern me then I will criticise them. I can't even vote in Australia anymore because I've been here too long.

cranks I don't believe Japan is backward in everything either. But many other countries around the world have made big changes in how they deal with issues surrounding making victims of rape feel more comfortable coming forward. Instituional changes from the top down. Japan and I'm sure many other countries have yet to make similar changes. There clearly appears to be a problem here and it clearly needs some solutions.

You can discuss problems in the US and Australia all you like. I live in Japan and this is Japan Forum. I'd like to discuss issues here in Japan. The fact that other countries may have issues similar or worse than Japan doesn't make any difference to the problems that occur here in Japan.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

but I also don`t see it as exploitation or something that should be banned. As long as no lines are crossed, I do not believe it harms the child.

If this was you in a swimsuit and your underwear, and it was still floating around on the Internet and in shops 10 or 20 years later, would you not regret being put in that situation?

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by MMM

If this was you in a swimsuit and your underwear, and it was still floating around on the Internet and in shops 10 or 20 years later, would you not regret being put in that situation?

Maybe, maybe not. If I had become a successful model, if it had opened doors to a successful career in acting, or if the money from the modeling had paid for my education - most likely not.

The chances of someone recognizing a picture an adult as the child in some modeling photos from the past is very low. I have, however, heard quite a few stories about consenting adults seriously regretting having erotic photos done as they ARE recognized and the effect that has on their life.

[siokan]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

What doe this even mean? "Your country"? Does that refer to every other country put togethr which you're just making a burger out of?

skunkfish's mother country
(Man who was speaking the same topic was found with another forum)

Child Sexual Abuse(2008)
beer　115.2 per 100,000 people
fish&chips 101.5 per 100,000 people
hamburger 59.4 per 100,000 people
Kimchi 16.9 per 100,000 people
Natto 6.8 per 100,000 people

Data that appeared to newspaper(JoongAng Ilbo) of South Korea.
The data of other countries is not understood.

[GoNative]

One of the big issues of debate in Japan in recent years has been over the possession of child pornography. Currently it is illegal to distribute it but not to simply possess it (this is real pornography of children). Japan and Russia are the only two member countries in the G8 that have not outlawed the simple possession of child pornography itself. For this reason both Russia and Japan are havens for child pornographers. I have no doubts that the junior idol industry has links to this.

There have been numerous successful prosecutions of owners of such magazines in recent years where they have crossed the line. It definitely isn't an industry I'd trust with my or anyones child.

[skunkfish]

Originally Posted by GoNative

One of the big issues of debate in Japan in recent years has been over the possession of child pornography. Currently it is illegal to distribute it but not to simply possess it (this is real pornography of children). Japan and Russia are the only two member countries in the G8 that have not outlawed the simple possession of child pornography itself. For this reason both Russia and Japan are havens for child pornographers. I have no doubts that the junior idol industry has links to this.

There have been numerous successful prosecutions of owners of such magazines in recent years where they have crossed the line. It definitely isn't an industry I'd trust with my or anyones child.

That's awful. Do you have any links to reference?

[GoNative]

Here is the law regarding possession or distribution of child pornography

Article 7 - Distribution, etc. of Child pornography

1. A person who distributes, sells, lends as a business, or displays in public, child pornography shall be punished with imprisonment with labor for not more than three years or a fine not exceeding three million yen.

2. A person who produces, possesses, transports, imports to or exports from Japan child pornography for the purpose of conducting any of the acts mentioned in the preceding paragraph shall be punished with the same penalty as is described in the said paragraph.

3. A Japanese national who imports to or exports from a foreign country child pornography for the purpose of conducting any of the acts mentioned in paragraph 1 of this article shall be punished with the same penalty as is described in the said paragraph.


So although paragraph 2 touches on possession it is only a crime if they conduct any of the acts mentioned in paragraph 1. So possession in itself is not a crime when it cannot be linked to distribution. You can probably see how child pornographers could make it quite difficult to prove the acts in paragraph 1.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

I still do not see it as different than any form of childhood modeling. All child modeling has adults calling the shots. The biggest difference between a child modeling a swimsuit in a clothing catalog and in a magazine is mostly the angle of the photo and the poses they choose to use. (In both cases, the children are asked to imitate poses of famous idols and other models.)

To the child, there is no real difference unless they are being told that it is sexual. For a child, it`s all innocent fun. The same goes for clothing - a little girl wearing revealing clothing isn`t exploitation, it`s fashion.

Either way, I don`t see it as good - but I also don`t see it as exploitation or something that should be banned. As long as no lines are crossed, I do not believe it harms the child.

I don`t really expect anyone to agree with me on this, but it is indeed my opinion... And likely quite a few others out there in Japan, which is why it does stay legal.

what about children who get lured away and forced to take part in Sexual

gAMES. nyroroin i AM SURE that if your son was lured away and made to perform for the camera of paeodphile you might change your mind.


It is SICK!!!!! I disagree with your view on this subject.

we need to protect our children-- there are some nasty people and PORN begets more sick porn. I loathe it.