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Talking 久しぶりね!帰りました。2007年 11月 27日。 - 11-27-2007, 08:01 AM

こんにちは!

しけんがあったし、なつ休みがはじめたし、ここで千月 からかかない。

このごろ、二つ仕事を働いていて、運動する。しかし、 大学がないから 日本語をれんしゅうしなかった。来年 も日本語を勉強するつもりだから、なつ休みに、勉強し なくてはいけないんだ。だから、今から、毎日、日本語 で、日記を書くつもりだよ!

とにかく、明日、午前、5時に起きなくてはいけない。7 に仕事を始めるんだ。今、ニュジランドに9時ごろだか ら、すぐ、寝る

おやすみ!

(Hello!

Because I had exams and it is the summer holidays, I haven't written on here since last month.

These days, I'm working two jobs and training. However because I don't have University I haven't been practicing Japanese. Because I plan to study Japanese next year also, I must study during the summer holidays. Therefore, from today I plan to write a journal in japanese everyday!.

Anyway, Tomorrow I have to wake up at 5am. Work begins at 7. Because it's 9 o'clock here in New Zealand now, I will go to sleep soon.

Good Night!)

Please feel free to correct my mistakes
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11-27-2007, 08:46 AM

Hey!! I wanna correct your mistakes.
なつ休みがはじめたし->その後には夏休みがあったから(orそのすぐ後に夏休み 始まったから)
ここで千月 からかかない。->先月は(orここ一ヶ月の間は)ここに(orこのフォーラ に)投稿できなかったんだ。

or
(I don't know if following is correct in grammer, but it often used)

しけんがあったし、なつ休みがはじめたし、ここで千月 からかかない。->試験と夏休み(orだったからorがあったからorやったから(関西弁)先月は投稿できなかったんだ。
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11-27-2007, 09:38 AM

Sorry, I took mistakes. Summer holidays have not ended, yet.
Please, don't look my former post.

しけん->試験
なつ休みがはじめたし->そのすぐ後に夏休みが始まったから
ここで千月 からかかない。->先月は(orここ一ヶ月の間は)ここに(orこのフォーラ に)投稿できなかったんだ。
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11-28-2007, 07:25 AM

働いていて->しているし
運動する->(よく)運動もしている(よ)

しかし、->でも
大学がないから ->大学(の授業)がないから、(or大学(の授業)が休み から、)
日本語を->日本語は(You compare two jobs and training to practicing Japanese so I think that 'ha' is sutable.)
れんしゅう->練習

なつ休みに、->夏休みに
勉強し なくてはいけないんだ。->勉強しなくてはいけないんだ。 (or 勉強しないといけないんだ。 or 勉強しなくちゃいけないんだ。) (I think that "なくてはいけない(nakutehaikenai)" is a formal expression and "ないといけない(naitoikenai)" and "なくちゃいけない(nakutyaikenai)" is more suitable in this context)

今から、毎日、->今日から毎日、(I think that the combination of "今から(imakara)" and "毎日(mainiti)" is not good.)
日本語 で、->日本語で

明日、->明日は
午前、5時に->午前5時に
起きなくてはいけない->起きなくてはいけない(or 起きなくちゃいけない or 起きないといけない)

ニュジランドに->ニュジランド (or ニュージーランド)は
すぐ、寝る->もう寝る(よ) or すぐ寝る(よ)
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11月 28日 - 11-28-2007, 08:36 AM

Thanks mame for your help! Really appreciate it!

I will try and learn what you have taught me. Though my kanji knowledge is quite limited so unfortunately I don't know how to pronounce some of the things you're saying. I will look it up though

こんばんは!

今日は とてもうれしい! 日本人の友達と話したんだ ! 今、かのじょは日本にいる。 大好きだ!

今日も晴れだった。明日は、仕事があって、家に帰って 、二つ目の仕事に行く!残念!忙しいと思うんだ。

先週、二日しか働かなかったから、今週、あまりお金が ない。でも 今週は、六日も働く!来週が楽しみにだ! お金持ちになる!


(Good evening!

Today I am so happy! I talked to my Japanese friend! At the moment she is in Japan. I like her a lot!

Today was also sunny. Tomorrow I have work, will return home and then go to my second job! Too bad.. I think I will be busy.

Because I only worked two days last week, this week I don't have much money. But this week I am working 6 days!!! I'm looking forward to next week. I will become a rich person!)

Anyway... feel free to help out! I know it's sloppy but I'm out of practice at the moment since University has finished for the year.

And thanks again mame!
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12-05-2007, 12:16 PM

ummm just back to the first post,
well, mame has already corrected your misuse of はじめる
i should tell you that
はじめる and はじまる, although both meaning "to start" are used in different ways
generally i think of it along the lines of:
はじめる- to start, but can be controlled/caused by oneself
i.e. 試合を始めましょう - lets start the game.
これから練習始めます- we're starting practice now

while, はじまる- to start, but isnt actually 'done' by a person
i.e. 春休みが始まった- Spring break has started
雨が降り始まった- It started to rain

分かりますか? well you shouldnt strictly go by those um... 'definitions'
but in almost every case of はじまる vs まじめる ive faced in my years of learning japanese, they call under those categories, cant think of any exceptions at the moment



AANNYYYWAY enough of that lol

ill just do what i can for now
hopefully mame or another of the pros can come along and help
need to be helping out otherwise i too will get rusty lol

ummm i guess you could do:
日本人の友達と話したんだ → 日本の友達と話した, but cant really explain, just how i feel about the sentence lol ><

「明日は、仕事があって、家に帰って 、二つ目の仕事に行く」.... this sentence sort of sounds broken to me
if i was to write the sentence, mine would look like:
明日、仕事が終わったら家に帰って、また他の仕事に行 く。
ummmm oh and if these are part time jobs youre talking about, instead of 仕事, you should use アルバイト (or shortened: バイト)
oh and yeh i feel real rusty now haha, after writing that sentence i sort of feel that it sounds weird to me as well xD
*stabs self* lol

anyway
「今週、あまりお金が ない」 → 「今週、あまり金(が)ない」
seeing as you're usually typing in informal-ish, you dont really need that お before 金, and が id say is optional
for picky corrections (following the steps of mame, and yeah i think its a good way to get rid of your minor but bad habits.... and they wont be minor after some time imo)

今週は、六日も働く → 今週は六日も働く
来週が楽しみにだ → 来週が楽しみだ (or 来週が楽しみにしてる)
お金持ちになる → again the お isnt neccessary

for that last bit, you could also write:
来週、金持ちになるのに楽しみ(にしてる) or 来週、金持ちになる事に楽しみ(にしてる)

thats just my contribution for now, will need some sleep =]
hope mame comes and corrects anything i may have missed
and hopefully all the mistakes i may have made D:


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12-07-2007, 11:34 AM

Thank you, Shadowulf san

I think that Shadowulf has already correct mistakes that Ronin4hire made, so I wanna try to correct mistakes Shadowulf made.

ummmm....I can't explain how to chose 始める or 始まる.
I think that explanation that Shadowulf gave is reasonable. but, I can't sure...

Anyway, I wanna try to correct something.

これから練習始めます -> これから練習(を)始めます (I think that it is better to put "を(wo)".)

雨が降り始まった -> 雨が降り始めた (renyoukei of the verb + 始める)

I think 日本人の友達と話したんだ is better than 日本の友達と話した in this context.

金 -> (お)金 (The expression 金 includes a kind of rude sounds and it is often used by a thief in plays or books. It is also used in daily life. But, I think お金 is better in this context. But, I think 金 is possible.)

今週、あまり金(が)ない(I think that when someone talks in daily life, が and を are often removed, but when someone writes, it is better to put が or を.)

The sentense 来週が楽しみにだ is not correct, and Shando_san has already corrected it.
来週が楽しみにだ -> 来週が楽しみだ
But, the sentense 来週が楽しみにしている is not correct.

来週、金持ちになるのに楽しみ(にしてる) -> 来週、金持ちになるのを楽しみにしている or 来週、金持ちになるのが楽しみだ。
(__を楽しみにしている。 __が楽しみだ。)
(I think that the sentense "__ 楽しみに して いる。" come from the sentense "____にする。".)
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