じゃない: Affirmative vs. Negative

[Columbine]

Here's my attempt. ^^' (highlight to read)
１．　そのＴシャツ、カッコいいじゃない！ This T-shirt, it's so cool! Aff.
２．　ダメじゃない、そんな事したら！ Isn't it bad if you do a thing like that? Aff.
３．　ディズニーランドに行くって言ったじゃな～い！ You said we were going to Disney land! Aff.

４．　この車はオレのじゃないです。This isn't my car. neg.
５．　あの人は日本人じゃないと思う。 I don't think that person's Japanese. neg.
６．　なかなかやるじゃない！ Pretty good! Aff.

７．　アタシはそんな女じゃない。これだけは信じて！ I'm not that kinda girl. Believe me! Neg.
８．　結婚してくれるって、あなた約束したじゃない・ ・・・ You promised you'd marry me... Aff.
９．　ジョンソン君すごいじゃん。日本語ペラペラじゃ ない！ Ain't Jonson amazing? His Japanese is totally fluent, right! Aff.

１０．　男は顔じゃない。ハートなんだっ！Neg. Really hard to translate though! Something like 'Manliness ain't in the face. It's in the heart!'?
１１．　おいしいじゃない、このクッキー。どこで買っ たの？ This cookie is yummy, where'd you get it? Aff.

[ryuurui]

I think you've got it perfectly, Columbine.

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by ryuurui

I think you've got it perfectly, Columbine.

I hope so! I put some time into it, because some stuff like なかなか totally throws me still >.<

[ryuurui]

Originally Posted by Columbine

I hope so! I put some time into it, because some stuff like なかなか totally throws me still >.<

That man/heart sentence was tricky, too. Ah you know, learning a language (even your own) is an endless task.

[KyleGoetz]

Originally Posted by evanny

i meant the very fact that i didn't notice it up until now. even my teacher said that i sometimes rush over some sounds when trying to read fast.

btw. i still can't explain. but when is this connected to like questions?
it was something to do with...
子供はいませんか。
いいえ。います

はい。いません。

じゃない uses the negative of the verb ある. It never goes in place of いる. (well, there are weird exceptions like how タクシー could be used with いる or ある, but that's beyond the scope of where you are right now).

Think of じゃん／じゃない in the affirmative sense to be similar to ね (the sentence-ending particle).

バナナ（を）持って（い）るね You have a banana, right?
バナナ（を）持って（い）るじゃん！ You have a banana, dontcha?

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by ryuurui

That man/heart sentence was tricky, too. Ah you know, learning a language (even your own) is an endless task.

It's true. All too often I understand the sentient or the meaning, but how to put it in English evades me.

[evanny]

if the sentences had ended with ね　i would have been far more easier.

btw. my examples where made for the case when some questions are asked in negative.
バナナがありませんか。
いえ。あります
はい。ありません。
well. in my language this sounds a bit weird. we normally say
バナナがありませんか。
いえ。ありません。
はい。あります。
but that is another story.
dunno why but i had problems remembering this.

[KyleGoetz]

Originally Posted by evanny

if the sentences had ended with ね　i would have been far more easier.

btw. my examples where made for the case when some questions are asked in negative.
バナナがありませんか。
いえ。あります
はい。ありません。
well. in my language this sounds a bit weird. we normally say
バナナがありませんか。
いえ。ありません。
はい。あります。
but that is another story.
dunno why but i had problems remembering this.

In English it's the opposite of Japanese, too, but you get used to it after a while.

[Nyororin]

I won`t be answering the quiz - but wanted to comment on this;

Originally Posted by ryuurui

I believe that じゃん is the old Aichi pref. local dialect (三河弁（みかわべん). It somehow migrated to Tokyo through Yokohama.

You might want to look into who founded Tokyo(Edo), and where all the people they brought with them were from.

In 三河弁, the use is a lot heavier. It comes in double sets of ん endings, like わからんじゃん, おらんじゃん, etc. じゃんか, じゃんね, and じゃんな are also pretty common.
I almost never heard a ない ending in casual speech until I moved. It was all ん.

Only one of my friends, who`d moved there from elsewhere used the んない pattern. (Like わかんない) It really stood out.

[StonerPenguin]

Okay, I've only read the first post. So here's my guess;

１．　そのＴシャツ、カッコいいじゃない！ Positive
２．　ダメじゃない、そんな事したら！ Positive
３．　ディズニーランドに行くって言ったじゃな～い！ 　Positive

４．　この車はオレのじゃないです。Negative
５．　あの人は日本人じゃないと思う。Negative
６．　なかなかやるじゃない！Positive

７．　アタシはそんな女じゃない。これだけは信じて！ Negative
８．　結婚してくれるって、あなた約束したじゃない・ ・・・Positive
９．　ジョンソン君すごいじゃん。日本語ペラペラじゃ ない！Positive

１０．　男は顔じゃない。ハートなんだっ！Negative
１１．　おいしいじゃない、このクッキー。どこで買っ たの？Positive

Amirite?