たある vs てある conjugation

pacerier · (#1 (**permalink**))

In peacemaker kurogane ep1 8:15 (Peacemaker Kurogane 1 - Watch Peacemaker Kurogane Episode 1 Online),

There is this sentence in the subtitles "You're so honest, it's written all over your face" => 「君は正直だなあ、顔に書いたありますよ。」

I was wondering why is it 書いたあります instead of 書いてあります ?

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KyleGoetz · (#2 (**permalink**))

I think you are mis-hearing it. I can't verify because the video won't play for me.

I think you're mishearing it, or the てある is being elided into たる in the same way ている can be elided into てる. Like I said, I can't verify, though.

The only time I know when you can precede ある with the plain past form of a verb is when you're using ある to mean "some" instead of as an actual verb. See any number of examples here: “たある”の検索結果（98 件）：英辞郎 on the WEB：スペースアルク

masaegu · (#3 (**permalink**))

Even without watching the video, 「書いたある」 makes no sense. It is 「て」.

ppo · (#4 (**permalink**))

delete the last parenthesis to access the link...
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Sumippi · (#5 (**permalink**))

I couldn't play the video either...

When I speak fast, I think I may sound 'かいたありますよ' or even 'かいたりますよ'.

・・・Or maybe it's Kansai accent? We say '～たあります' instead of '～てあります' in Kansai area.

PS. But we never write that way.

PS2. I've just heard the video. It's NOT Kansai accent.

PS3. We often pronounce 'せんたっきsentakki' but write 'せんたくきsentakuki' (洗濯機) and never write 'せんたっき'.

KyleGoetz · (#6 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by ppo

delete the last parenthesis to access the link...
Peacemaker Kurogane 1 - Watch Peacemaker Kurogane Episode 1 Online

I tried that and it still didn't load for me. The video just remained blank.

ppo · (#7 (**permalink**))

When I clicked on the play button, the video started for me. How about you?

masaegu · (#8 (**permalink**))

He clearly says 書いてあります and there are no subs.

pacerier · (#9 (**permalink**))

This is weird, I opened the video with VLC player, slowed it by 2x / 3x / 4x and it still sounds like 書いた instead of 書いて

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Peacemaker Kurogane Episode 1 | Watch Peacemaker Kurogane Anime Online
Peace Maker Kurogane Episode 1 | Watch Anime Online | Anime Avenue
Peacemaker Kurogane 1 | Watch Peacemaker Kurogane 1 Stream
Dailymotion - Peacemaker kurogane 1-2 english subtitle - a Funny video
Watch PeaceMaker Kurogane Episode 1 Online

KyleGoetz · (#10 (**permalink**))

I hear て, not た. But then again, who cares? You know 〜たあります is grammatically impossible, so your brain should immediately fill in with the correct sound. Your brain already does this with your native language. Just imagine every time you've talked on a cell phone with a bad connection.

Work hard and this will happen with Japanese, too. When I hear that audio, my brain understands instinctively they're talking about a てある construction even if I don't hear anything but かいtあります