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Aota 08-04-2009 06:54 AM

I'm not really a fan of America anymore. I used to think Obama was good, but he's messing up SO bad right now. >[

Tenchu 08-04-2009 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Aota (Post 756492)
I'm not really a fan of America anymore. I used to think Obama was good, but he's messing up SO bad right now. >[

What's he doing? I havn't been following the news right now.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756490)
I'm sure I'll like my life in Japan more than my life in America. And so what if i say Japan accepts people who are different? I know they do. They have communities over there where the residents are of carribean background. If that's not an acceptance of differences, then what is? :mad:

What race are you?

You might be in for a little bit of a shock. LOL.

Aota 08-04-2009 06:56 AM

He just screwed up the already screwed economy more, and all he cares about are his dogs.

YukisUke 08-04-2009 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756487)
Why? This is on topic. It thinks white people spoil the essence of the great US of A. Perhaps, upon explaining, we'll come to realize an actual point.

Don't just tell us to stop. How about asking us nicely to just keep it civil (which I am; I really don't care why it thinks I ruin its life).

So i'm "it" now you sack of shit? (FYI- the "aren't you a racist prick" quote is what I tried to copy from your post to make into a quote, but i made an accident. There were so many quotes on your post, i tried to single your response to mine out. Sorry bout' that little incident.:p ) You know what, how about you PM me so that we don't get off topic and we don't disturb the others. You can be as uncivil as you like there. I know I will. :) :mad:

YukisUke 08-04-2009 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756494)
What race are you?

You might be in for a little bit of a shock. LOL.

I'm black and I have some Native American blood in me as well. What's the big shock you have in store for me? :confused:

Tenchu 08-04-2009 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756497)
So i'm "it" now you sack of shit? (FYI- the "aren't you a racist prick" quote is what I tried to copy from your post to make into a quote, but i made an accident. There were so many quotes on your post, i tried to single your response to mine out. Sorry bout' that little incident.:p ) You know what, how about you PM me so that we don't get off topic and we don't disturb the others. You can be as uncivil as you like there. I know I will. :) :mad:

No, you clearly have some mental hick-ups you've picked up in American culture. I think htis is perfect topic.

By saying "it" I'm referring to your gender. I don't know if you're male or female.

There is no needs for insults. Please stay relaxed, or we won't get anywhere.

Say again, what did the white people do to you that ruined America for you.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756498)
I'm black and I have some Native American blood in me as well. What's the big shock you have in store for me? :confused:

Japanese usually dislike dark skin... like, really, a lot. Also, being a foreigner, you'll be in the gaijin minority, and pointed out worse than in America constantly.

MMM 08-04-2009 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756490)
I'm sure I'll like my life in Japan more than my life in America. And so what if i say Japan accepts people who are different? I know they do. They have communities over there where the residents are of carribean background. If that's not an acceptance of differences, then what is? :mad:

Again, pardon my directness, but do you really live in the US?

Japan is essentially a homogeneous society. America is made up of people from all around the world. To say there is a place where Caribbeans live in Japan as proof of how accepting Japan is of difference and proving how America isn't is the most upside-down thinking I have ever heard. I dare say not a country or ethnicity or religion in the world does not have some community of some sort somewhere in the US. Including Caribbeans.

YukisUke 08-04-2009 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756499)
No, you clearly have some mental hick-ups you've picked up in American culture. I think htis is perfect topic.

By saying "it" I'm referring to your gender. I don't know if you're male or female.

There is no needs for insults. Please stay relaxed, or we won't get anywhere.

Say again, what did the white people do to you that ruined America for you.

Sorry. I tend to get angry when people criticize me for my opinions. :p I'm female btw. And for the white people thing I thought you would know. I'm not saying that all white people are racist, just a number of them. A big number. They treat us like we're not people, they are unfair to us in the justice system, educational system and in society itself. I'll give you an example. Two people, a white person and a black person, do the same crimes like robbing a store with a gun. They both get caught. The white guy gets maybe 5 years and is on probation after being released while the black guy gets twice that amount without parole. You're telling me you never noticed it before? :confused:

Aota 08-04-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756507)
I'm not saying that all white people are racist, just a number of them.

No, don't worry. We're ALL racist. xD

Just kidding. :]

YukisUke 08-04-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 756501)
Again, pardon my directness, but do you really live in the US?

Japan is essentially a homogeneous society. America is made up of people from all around the world. To say there is a place where Caribbeans live in Japan as proof of how accepting Japan is of difference and proving how America isn't is the most upside-down thinking I have ever heard. I dare say not a country or ethnicity or religion in the world does not have some community of some sort somewhere in the US. Including Caribbeans.

Maybe you should look into that then. It's a thought. From what I've heard from my friend, his brother lives in Japan and they have those types of communities. Your word against his. :)

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Originally Posted by Aota (Post 756508)
No, don't worry. We're ALL racist. xD

Just kidding. :]

HAHAHAHA! LOL. That made me happy just now. :)

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756500)
Japanese usually dislike dark skin... like, really, a lot. Also, being a foreigner, you'll be in the gaijin minority, and pointed out worse than in America constantly.

I'll be the judge of that. LOL. When I go. If it's true, then i still won't care. :)

Aota 08-04-2009 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756510)
HAHAHAHA! LOL. That made me happy just now. :)

You're welcome, and good night, JF.

YukisUke 08-04-2009 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Aota (Post 756512)
You're welcome, and good night, JF.

Good night Aota. Sleep tight. LOL. :)

Tenchu 08-04-2009 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756507)
They treat us like we're not people, they are unfair to us in the justice system, educational system and in society itself. I'll give you an example. Two people, a white person and a black person, do the same crimes like robbing a store with a gun. They both get caught. The white guy gets maybe 5 years and is on probation after being released while the black guy gets twice that amount without parole. You're telling me you never noticed it before? :confused:

Have you ever been a victim of legal irresponsibility, or known some one directly who has?

How is their education system unfair for you?

I know the education system in the US is racist, but I didn't think it'd bother you. To get into some universities, people who are not white get an extra 5 free points on their entry exam. The reason is they usually score lower, and the schools were looking bad being full of whites.

Pretty unfair to any white kids who scored better than others, but, yet still can't go. Yup, racist.

... WTF is going on in this thread? Posts dissappearing. Anyway, if you care about racism, you'll notice it more in Asia. So I'd think twice if you can't handle America.

MMM 08-04-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756509)
Maybe you should look into that then. It's a thought. From what I've heard from my friend, his brother lives in Japan and they have those types of communities. Your word against his. :)

But you live in America, right? You know there are ethic communities all over America, including Caribbean, right? I am not sure what your point is.

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756509)
If it's true, then i still won't care. :)

So you don't like America because of racism, but if there was racism in Japan you wouldn't care?

Hanging up my hat on this one. Enjoy.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 756518)
So you don't like America because of racism, but if there was racism in Japan you wouldn't care?

Yes. This is where I got really confused.

SSJup81 08-04-2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756490)
I'm sure I'll like my life in Japan more than my life in America. And so what if i say Japan accepts people who are different? I know they do. They have communities over there where the residents are of carribean background. If that's not an acceptance of differences, then what is? :mad:

You do realize that the United States is an immigrant country, right?

Tenchu 08-04-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SSJup81 (Post 756523)
You do realize that the United States is an immigrant country, right?

No. She believes America is a white country who stomps all colored people into the ground with their feet after stepping in doggy-doo. Of course, Obama is simply a white based plot cover up...

bELyVIS 08-04-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756507)
Sorry. I tend to get angry when people criticize me for my opinions. :p I'm female btw. And for the white people thing I thought you would know. I'm not saying that all white people are racist, just a number of them. A big number. They treat us like we're not people, they are unfair to us in the justice system, educational system and in society itself. I'll give you an example. Two people, a white person and a black person, do the same crimes like robbing a store with a gun. They both get caught. The white guy gets maybe 5 years and is on probation after being released while the black guy gets twice that amount without parole. You're telling me you never noticed it before? :confused:

Do you have a sister on this forum?
As far as Japan, I have never been as discriminated against as much before as when I was living there (I'm white). Not all are that way, especially younger Japanese, but it is just their culture so I didn't take it personal. The nice thing is most of the discrimination is just because you are a foreigner and not skin color. Although a lot of blacks lately, mostly from Africa, have been involved in crimes and they also believe TV shows from America that show them as gang members so I think this is having more negative views of blacks in Japan. When my mother in law came to America to visit, she was afraid of them because she had seen a show about black people as gangsters on TV and she though all of them acted this way.

bELyVIS 08-04-2009 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YukisUke (Post 756435)
Fine I will. I'm not proud to be an American because as an American, we're looked at as bullies and people who look out for themselves. I don't want to be looked upon that way. Plus I'm of color and when you're living in the US, white people tend to make your life worse. Sure I'm in the "Land Of the Free", but it doesn't feel like it. America has all these things wrong with it and yet almost the rest of the world has everything about itself in check already. Being an american is one of the many things I'm not proud of. As for you guys, criticize me all you like. I'm standing by my opinion. And if you do criticize me, remember this: I am entitled to my opinion on this forum. If you state your opinion on JF, I wouldn't drag it down or criticize you. Just remember that in the future. :)

Sorry, I just saw this. How can you say this when the President is black? I will say it again, Only you can make yourself feel like a victim. Americas biggest problem is that most Americans feel like victims and everyone owes them something for this. A lot of people got mad when Bill Cosby told black people to take responsibility for their lives and to quit blaming their troubles on slavery which ended more than 100 years ago. I think people of all races in America need to be responsible. Look at how many "Trailer Trash" people there are in America these days (BTW, these people live in houses too and not all people who live in trailers are "trash"). They need to be more responsible in not just barely passing in school and getting a job at WalMart, but also getting an education so they don't pass this negative thinking on to their kids or else America will become a Third World country of trailer dwellers.
Signed, The JF racist (according to one):ywave:

Megabyte117 08-04-2009 02:11 PM

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Fine I will. I'm not proud to be an American because as an American, we're looked at as bullies and people who look out for themselves.
I read somewhere that you're black and believe there is a social stigma that they hold. Are you not proud to be black because of a reputation you "presumably" hold? Besides, not everyone thinks of Americans like this. I've spent time outside the country (mostly Spanish speaking countries) and not everyone responds negatively to Americans.

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Plus I'm of color and when you're living in the US, white people tend to make your life worse.
Wow. I have to agree with a previous post of Tenchu's, this sounds a bit racist. Having apparently experienced some type of racism I would assume you don't like stereotypes, but you're using a big one right now. My family has directly expereinced racism (they're hispanic) yet we don't hold a grudge like you apparently do.

Besides, racism exists everywhere. Not only in America. It's a human flaw, not simply an American one.

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I'm not saying that all white people are racist, just a number of them. A big number.
Wow. This truly blew my mind. I would like to inform you that minorities, including African Americans, are able of racism.

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They treat us like we're not people, they are unfair to us in the justice system, educational system and in society itself.
I feel as if you're speaking from the recent fiasco that was the Harvard professor... That was some BS. It seems as if you have quite a chip on your shoulder.

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Two people, a white person and a black person, do the same crimes like robbing a store with a gun. They both get caught. The white guy gets maybe 5 years and is on probation after being released while the black guy gets twice that amount without parole.
It may surprise you, but racism exists in other countries. Instead of giving a hypothetical example, try giving a real one. A recent one.

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Maybe you should look into that then. It's a thought. From what I've heard from my friend, his brother lives in Japan and they have those types of communities. Your word against his.
Again, this just blew me away. Obviously MMM doesn't know what he's talking about. Clearly those years he's spent in Japan have no meaning whatsoever here. :rolleyes:

Yes America is flawed, but what country isn't? I love Colombia despite the huge drug problems currently occurring. Japan clearly has some social issues, yet I am excited for my upcoming trip.

Yet it seems to me you have some fairly unrealistic views of Japan. Hope you have a great time in Wonderland. :ywave:

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A lot of people got mad when Bill Cosby told black people to take responsibility for their lives and to quit blaming their troubles on slavery which ended more than 100 years ago. I think people of all races in America need to be responsible.
This.

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No. She believes America is a white country who stomps all colored people into the ground with their feet after stepping in doggy-doo. Of course, Obama is simply a white based plot cover up...
Obama isn't fully black. :mad:

Tenchu 08-04-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Megabyte117 (Post 756560)
Obama isn't fully black. :mad:

Word out on the street is he's a "full blown pot smokin' *****", holmes...

Megabyte117 08-04-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756565)
Word out on the street is he's a "full blown pot smokin' *****", holmes...

Meh, I was being sarcastic. But that is actually said quite frequently.

TalnSG 08-04-2009 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Megabyte117 (Post 756568)
Meh, I was being sarcastic. But that is actually said quite frequently.

Maybe its because I don't hang with white trash, but I have never heard that said and I live in the white, racist, bigoted south and discuss politics with ultra conservative fellow whites frequently.

Just because something is a quote doesn't make it any less offensive - especially the racial epithet Tenchu posted.:mad:

Megabyte117 08-04-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TalnSG (Post 756578)
Maybe its because I don't hang with white trash, but I have never heard that said and I live in the white, racist, bigoted south and discuss politics with ultra conservative fellow whites frequently.

I feel for you. You hear all sorts of things on the news and internet forums.

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Just because something is a quote doesn't make it any less offensive - especially the racial epithet Tenchu posted.:mad:
No, it doesn't.

Nyororin 08-04-2009 04:39 PM

This is turning into a bunch of racism and racist comments...
Let`s quit, okay?

Tenchu 08-04-2009 04:44 PM

What a bunch of oversensative *****.

Seriously, most of us are American, those who arn't belong to its greatest allies; how proud should we all be of our lands if clearly it has taught us not even the first thing about racial acceptence.

Case rested.

North Korea remains dominant.

MMM 08-04-2009 05:11 PM

The n-word is not allowed in these forums and I edited it out.

Two members were banned yesterday for language. I would hate to see that number grow.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 05:19 PM

Are you talking to me? What about the G-word, or, in my case, the F-word (and that isn't the F-word your father teaches you... it's the ones the "black people" teach you)...

Seriously, you, me and Nyororin are the three bears...

MMM 08-04-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756608)
Are you talking to me? What about the G-word, or, in my case, the F-word (and that isn't the F-word your father teaches you... it's the ones the "black people" teach you)...

Seriously, you, me and Nyororin are the three bears...

I didn't say you had to like it, Tenchu.

SSJup81 08-04-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Megabyte117 (Post 756568)
Meh, I was being sarcastic. But that is actually said quite frequently.

Well, there is that thing that says that one drop of black blood = 100% black. Not sure if people still feel this way or not, but I've been fed that one for years as an explanation of how "some racist white people think" when it came to mixed couples, and it stems from racist views from back in my parents and grandparents' time and great grandparents' time, and how they felt about us blacks. I doubt too many people now of this generation really think about that, though. It is an old-fashioned way of thinking.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 756609)
I didn't say you had to like it, Tenchu.

I didn't assume I did...

...

I've typed several sentences just now, and deleted them all, because I know making homosexual accusations is not good on this... "forum"...

...

I give up. I'm clearly no longer allowed to speak freely. "American English" is too powerful. I have no freedom of speech amongst you people...

Ronin4hire 08-04-2009 05:27 PM

Stop being dramatic Tenchu.

You never even had a point to start with which would warrant the use of such language.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJup81 (Post 756611)
Well, there is that thing that says that one drop of black blood = 100% black. Not sure if people still feel this way or not, but I've been fed that one for years as an explanation of how "some racist white people think" when it came to mixed couples, and it stems from racist views from back in my parents and grandparents' time and great grandparents' time, and how they felt about us blacks. I doubt too many people now of this generation really think about that, though. It is an old-fashioned way of thinking.

Shamefully, that is still true in most places.

Believe it or not, considering how much blacks complain about racism, when a person has black blood in them, they usually claim it. Being in a minority or "discriminated" group is beneficial in many cases now in the west.

SSJup81 08-04-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756613)
I give up. I'm clearly no longer allowed to speak freely. "American English" is too powerful. I have no freedom of speech amongst you people...

It's called being respectful of your fellow posters. You can get your point across without being condescending or derogatory. Why that's such a tough concept for some people is beyond me.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 756614)
Stop being dramatic Tenchu.

You never even had a point to start with which would warrant the use of such language.

What language?

SSJup81 08-04-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756615)
Shamefully, that is still true in most places.

Believe it or not, considering how much blacks complain about racism, when a person has black blood in them, they usually claim it. Being in a minority or "discriminated" group is beneficial in many cases now in the west.

Well, to be honest, I do feel that blacks when seeing someone who is mixed, and has a black parent, they will just call him/her black because we were taught that for so many decades. "Oh, he has a black mother/father...just call him black." I don't feel we're claiming it at all. I guess it's just been instilled for so long, it's hard to fully drop it.

Now, for other races who might see a mixed person, for this generation, I doubt they'd think much of it. That's what I mostly meant.

Ronin4hire 08-04-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 756615)
Believe it or not, considering how much blacks complain about racism, when a person has black blood in them, they usually claim it. Being in a minority or "discriminated" group is beneficial in many cases now in the west.

You speak as though none of these minorities have legitimate claims. I completely disagree with you here.

You're going to have to be more specific aswell if you want to have a serious discussion or to be taken seriously.

Tenchu 08-04-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJup81 (Post 756616)
It's called being respectful of your fellow posters. You can get your point across without being condescending or derogatory. Why that's such a tough concept for some people is beyond me.

I honestly don't know where I slipped up...


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