BTW. Saying that CrApple products can run windows is like saying "My compie's OS is so crap I need to leech a better OS"

This is not so with a PC. The PC can emulate many platforms including vintage gaming boards and does so becuase it can, not becuse it has to.

The only reason that CrApple can Emu Windows is because smart people that code on PC developed 99.9 percent of emulation code used in many computer systems and whored at a price by CrApple.

My saying that was in response to the previous post which told me to go to a creative industry... :) That's all.

Dude, don't start whining about it or you will start to sound like a CrApple user.

lol Because they know people will still want to use Windows.

There is a group which is constantly making a Mac version to work for PCs. And it's not virtualization.

;) Thank you sooo much for this adive :) ......:rolleyes:

And whats with making Mac users sound negative? Arguing on a technical level is fine, but you do realise that people are allowed to have their own opinions right? If someone likes Mac, it don't make them anything related to stupid!!!

I don't get how you make it as a fact. Macs are very unpopular outside USA. And for creativity, what kind of industries you talk for? 3d modelling? Photoshopping? What?

your answer there
really PC its not computer

My girlfriend is a programmer and knows a lot about computers--so much that it makes my head spin. And she is obsessed with Mac, so I vote for them considering she knows what she's talking about.

I do webdeveloping, programming, webdesigning and have also been into servers enviroments in the past... but it doesn't really tell anything.

Obsession is a bad thing. Like I said, you better judge computers carefully and not stick to one by the name.

BTW, most programmers use Visual Studio, you have to is you're into C#.Net or VB.Net or any other lang using the Net Framework... which is quite popular and requested nowadays. The only way to run it on a Mac is by virtualizing Windows. But that is just pure obsession.

lol funny..
first of all..
your making things up.
second some ppl just want to keep the os there used to but still want it on a highly reliable machine.

all os have there flaws but i can name more in windows then in leopard.

at home i work with a pc at work with mac's

Mac has been adopted in many art history faculties in North American universities because of better multimedia functions.

Either is fine. But if it's a pc then I prefer Linux.

Most of the people that buy a Mac do so as a status symbol. The rest do so because they are afraid of computers. Pro's tend to want a stable platform and sacrifice a great deal to have this.

Given a budget of $10,000 for one computer there is only so much money you could spend at CrApple. With a PC platform you could put the whole 10k into a computer system that would be better, bigger, faster, look great and smell of roses.
This is the PC way. You build a system you want and don't have to subscribe to a closed platform. There are so many addon's for a PC that it becomes very easy to tailor the kit to the required function.

Lets look at the sore point. GAMES!
Before you flame consider that Gaming drives much of the innovation in graphics tech and has helped the sound card industry no end. It has also driven the need for better processors, cooling systems, RAM tech and so much more. Look at rodent's and consider the mouse wheel and extra buttons for Web browsing.
Games do not work on Mac's (before you start listing them look at the percentages) I mean this in the general sense. A mouse with one button would get your a55 whipped in all FPS games.

Another driving force for PC's is piracy. Pirates do not like the Mac as there is little worth sharing. Most cutting edge apps are to be found on PC's and shared by the pirate community, many of these you would not of heard of.

I program robots and none of my software will run on a Mac. Nor my GPS, mobile phone, lightscribe, plotter/cutter, training software, anylizer, RF scanner and I could go on.

For me, Mac's suck!

I do not like CrApple or their products or their insiduous marketing.

She does have Windows on her computer. It's not obsession, it's something that she likes to do. I don't think there's anything wrong with getting really into something that you like. People on here judge too quickly.

What's surprising there? Apple focuses selling Macs in USA only. It's a fact, because Apple itself has admitted it. You are very uninformed... so please don't make such a thread when you can't really argue.

See? This happens when someone can't pull off a good argument. They start calling people names. why am I a fanboy? Because my logic tells me PCs are a much better deal. I have used Macs, who told you I have not?

And now you start judging my music taste? going so low eh. Now search on Google and find about my life, maybe you can find something bad and bring it on this debate.

BTW, Green Day revived punkrock. Nuff said. You don't hate a band just because the last one sucked... listen to their whole discography.

You'd love me to be a fanboy, hahah! I can clearly see it. Oh, Windows? You jumped into OS wars now... you are just a waste of time.

Huh? Your earlier post stated she is obsessed with them.

Mac still has some useful functions that are better than Windows. Of course Mac will still be around.

Even recently I am starting to think that Windows is trying to become an office-oriented operating system.

you didn't put an other up there ...

linux ... but on my netbook, i have a dualboot for linux or osx ... also use windows OS's ...

i have no need for overpriced Mac hardware though ...

Linux isn't really as much user friendly. Not suitable for desktops... for average users Macs and PCs are easier. Package Manager and some other stuff are really complicated and boring for the average people.

They are quite good for servers though.

true, i guess i am just used to it ... even the easier linux distro's still require some commandline work when installing and tweaking stuff (tho ubuntu is quite easy)

Yea but think of the average people lol. I also use Ubuntu and openSUSE... imo they are the best distros.

n e i t h e r

I totally agree.I voted mac although I use a pc...I've always loved mac.

I remember playing games on the Apple IIe with its ultra slick green screen. I saw a pre-production Apple Lisa and was also a salesman for the first macintosh with its cool paint app.

After that, the PC (IBM 386/486) started to grow in a serious cult way to a point where it is the prefered system for most people. The mac is just a shiny toy now for people who dream of owning (or do own) an expensive sports car.

It is also the prefered computer for women who love to dust and clean, it is so much easier to keep a mac clean then a PC, ask any woman.

(prepares to get a good flaming for that last comment)

^^^^

*scratches head* I'll ask my grand mum.

Mac ftw!
I love my mac lol :)

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Where's the love for Amiga? More stable than Windows and relatively decent hardware, esp. now it is officially PPC supported.

It was the first modern GUI that was copied by Microsoft and Apple. It was the very first "reasonably" functional microkernel OS.

Definetely prefer macs. Most of what's about them seems more appealing to me.

I like macs just cause I don't have to worry about viruses. Either way right now, I hate computers in general because I can't afford a mac, therefore I cant afford a PC that doesn't suck in my opinion.

LOL

Japan Forum: the only place in the world where people choose PC over Mac.

I think the real question should be windows or Mac, a few years back the hardware was different, but now that Mac went intel, you can have a Mac running windows, does it make it a "pc" then????

I have a mix of both at home, though most (if not all ) of my day to days are done through a Mac. I am typing this message on an iPad now too

MacOS X is far more stable than any flavor of windows, and it's a lot faster than a windows based machine, the kernel is so lightweight that my old G5 runs faster than the i5 they gave me at work. The machine is at least 6 years old....... The one thing I don't like about Mac is the cost of them, but it's like a case of "I am too poor to be cheap". I can pay the money, get a Mac, and it's probably a one shot deal, or I can spend a fraction on a windows based machine and expect to have to pay more to upgrade/repair

...while waiting for my private jet to drop me off in the Swiss Alps for a skiing vacation :cool:

How classy.

ipad isn't something to be proud of having... :cool:


PC just wins because Macs have major flaws.
1. you can't upgrade mac. if you want to run latest stuff go and get 2000$ and throw old one out.
2. on average you pay 40% more just for brand name.
3. it doesn't have anything. No games (ok recently some like tf2) and only BS software that apple provides - lame tunes etc. thats the reason why almost everyone who wants to do smth with them installs on them win7.
4. mac's can't double-click. :cool:

macs are for people who want to show that they have money and that's it. specially when it comes to Mac-books. i have sony vaio and i paid 600 $ less than my friend who bought mcbook and the performance is the same.

if you want something cool and expensive then go with Alienware Computers - Custom-Built Gaming Desktops and Laptops - you'll get a lot better specs for same money + more unique design.

Mac.

Before coming to Japan, I bought a new PC laptop. Tried installing all of the programs I wanted, and it kept seizing and freezing up on me. Couldn't handle what I wanted.

I went back to the store and bought a MacBook. Everything was fine.

I honestly would have "been a PC" a few months ago, because it's what I grew up with and it's what I know. But the last thing I need is to deal with the problems that come with a PC when I'm already dealing with life over here. It's good to be able to sit down and just know that everything will work the way I want it to. I don't need anything complicated, just a simple and easy work environment.

So, you installed all the programs you wanted on the OS X ? :eek:

Anyway, I'm opting for PC, just because Linux exists, and it's even more stable than OS X. The oldest PC I installed and still works without trouble, as a small server for a library, has a Linux based OS, and it's running now in the 6'th year without software change, just updates to some modules on it,

I am not particularly "proud" of being a ipad owner, i am never proud of materials I own. The iPad is convenient, i know its just an oversized ipod, but thats the reason why i got it, the screen size...... and its easy to wake an ipad and you get your network connection right away...

Rich? far from it, i just decide to spend the extra money to buy convenience

Mac Can't double click? You obviously never used a mac before

How did you measure the performance of the vaio vs the MBP? What software? What kind of profiling test did you do? Were you comparing to a G4? What kind of performance test? Response time? Utilization? Load/Volume?

Yes you can upgrade a Mac. iMacs and Mac Minis is not the only line up. There are the MacPros too that is highly customizable. On a side note, I recently upgraded both the iMac and my MacBook Pro...... so i am not sure what you consider as an "upgrade". Its true, there are limitation as to how far you can go with an upgrade, but Windows base machine has that issue too, motherboards have limitation of what is the maximum amount of RAM that can be installed, but of course, the limitation is not as harsh/narrorw as the mac....

Games... well, no debate that Mac has really poor support for games, so kudos to Windows for that. but Macs do have a lot of good apps for photo processing, which i also use on almost a daily basis. Macs are extremely powerful, I do a lot of development work on it.

When I was using a Windows based machine, there are times when I go "Darn i wish I have a mac to do this", with the Mac, there was not a single time when i said "Where is Windows"...

You may want to do more research...

Again.... a Mac can have Linux running via bootcamp or Parallel... they are all PC.. the last I check, PC stands for "Personal Computer"... Windows based machine and Macs now uses similar hardware, and OS X can easily run Linux or Windows... ...

Here is a piece of more technical information. Most peripherals and devices on the mac uses TRUE and REAL hardware accelerator, so it doesn't have craps like windriver, which add an extra layer of overhead on the CPU.

that double click was for those original mouses that came with mac desktops.

we compared specs and some fps readings . the result was close to even. he had higher freq. ram on him but that doesn't change anything - just gives you more room for messing with over clock. as far as cores go his i3 isn't far from my duo.
so. difference wasn't 600$ worth :cool:

MB limitations? its def to have 4 ram slots on mb. so you go and get four 8 gb modules and here you go - 36 gb or ram. now you can buy mb that also support 2 processors - add two of i9 extreme and you'll be running all the stuff that comes out in next 10 years :)
thou it might be more expensive than mac at that point...

I am not going to get into the debate with the upgrade. I mean, you said it yourself, there is a limitation, and its not as harsh as MAC, but a limitation nevertheless

You can't compare it base on FPS. API support is different, and FPS is highly dependent on the GPU. Higher speed ram does virtually nothing in this case. Proper performance profiling needs to be done to truly compare performance. Then there is also profiling test around CPU and memory utilization for specific apps, in which case, architectural design of the hardware plays a big role. The fact that the southbridge is talking to real hardware on the MAC will make a huge difference as it reduces CPU cycles from talking to the driver

You are talking about the old unibody macs from Apple II era....