Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 696873)

Perhaps... I'm not clued up on SK domestic politics but I think that there is a difference between non-appeasement and antagonism which the current SK president is apparently guilty of doing to an extent. (I can't see how though)

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698211)

North and South are both enemies to each other. Yet, whether you're to enage in conflict or peace, hate will help in niether of those situations.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698211)

America wiped 2 cities off the map one time for crimes not very dfferent than what Iran dislikes Israel for. I think it is a double standard based on religon above other things.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698211)

The correct thing to be done for peaces' sake would be an independant power that is without nuclear arms tells both countries to harden the fuck up and disarm the nukes.

But you have to decide what you want, and go for it. Going half way wont do anything at all.

If it is the USA goal to destroy N. Korean nuclear potential then they should do it. First by peace, then by missile if necessary. That could all take place in a matter of weeks.

N. Korea would be let in a few days of missile attacks to decide whether to retaliate, and lose its country (surely it knows it wont win?), or to accept that it just can't have what it wants.

On the other hand, if the USA thinks N. Korean missile power is not such a problem, then it should shut the fuck up about it.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698211)

How is pulling your dick out and waving it around going to solve anything, MMM? All I can see now is the US is a large part all talk. Well, George Bush wasn't, but his ego was humbled by the power of muslim fanatics, and he eventually softened up. Now you've voted in an even softer President, how are "rogue" states going to react to him, I wonder?

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698211)

Either way, the more talk that is seen, and the less punishing action (both military and economic), with nothing bein done, once fearful enemies will become more bolder, stronger, and aggressive.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698211)

Militant organizations like Hamas thrive on time, Obama is giving it to them. I think with long enough time given, they'll eventually become stronger and more united.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698211)

North and South are both enemies to each other. Yet, whether you're to enage in conflict or peace, hate will help in niether of those situations.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698221)

Not every copuntry is as advanced as the US is. Just because the US has moved so fast, you may find a lot of the world has been left behind when you step outside the door, MMM.

And if the US didn't send spy drones into everyone elses airspace...

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698253)

How so?

If the US back in 1940's was a less advanced country and it can justify the nuke of major cities, then why can a country at the same level of advancment not justify the same thing to a similar enemy?

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698253)

Or are you saying the US being advanced has a duty to do something to stop it? I am not so sure how advanced they are, anyway, or perhaps they would not have used chemical weapons on civilians in Falujah so recently.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 698253)

How so?

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 698424)

If it wasn't for those unmanned drones the captain of that American ship captured by Somalian pirates would be dead now, instead of the pirates that took him.

Originally Posted by alanX (Post 698427)

What ever happened to that captain? Did he ever come back safely? I heard they shot the pirates or something.

Originally Posted by Sinestra (Post 696696)

Look both komitsuki and Ronin are right. I hate playing devils advocate because I think its cheap but its warranted this time around. But the question comes down to does Kim Jong think he can pick a fight and WIN or will the international community show ever greater patience then it has already shown. Kim Jong is not stupid by any means a fact that has kept him in power this long, and in his mind his military maybe powerful enough to accomplish the goals he sets forth. In reality could his army withstand a combined assault from American, Japanese and S Korean forces i highly doubt it. The civilian casualties on both sides would be heartbreaking.

My belief is that a conflict will not happen. It has been discussed and debated over for years with nothing happening. N. Korea loves attention and Kim Jong knows how to get the world to look his way. I believe western forces know a great deal about his military capabilities do i think the west knows them all know. No country knows every little dirty military secret another country has hidden. The negatives far out weigh the positives to N. Korea picking a fight and imo Kim Jong knows this. Which is why he uses different tactics to gain what he wants from the west. N Korea stance is like that of cobra a cobra opens the folds on its sides and rears up to look more intimidating than it really is and more often than not it works.


I told myself i was not going to get involved in this discussion because certain people are involved but i really wanted to get this out.

"solemnclockwork"its nothing you said i have read your post and i find them rational and well thought out. My professor just thought a lot of the post show immaturity,shallow and narrow views of exactly how the world and the political system works. He says he fears for the future because he thinks most youngins don't have what it takes to lead in the world. He has been a professor for 40 years taught in many countries. I trust him more than i trust anyone when it comes political and world events he has seen a lot and been through a lot. When it comes to life experience and wisdom there is no substitute.

I ask myself have we really made any progress in the past 100 years. At the end of an argument such as this it always reverts back to nationality or race because your American because your Korean because your Japanese because youre Venezuelan. As this type of thinking persist i have no hope of the world actually working together or becoming more stable in my life time.