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XOXkAWAIiXOX 04-16-2009 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698564)
Hate or dislike is often the result of envy, and America has a lot to envy. It's not perfect, but you won't find another place in the world like it. I've traveled for many years, and I've been to many places, but there is no place like America.

Those Americans who seem to complain the most about their country are generally well-off and spoiled. They are unhappy with their lives in one way or another, and looking for something or someone to blame other than themselves for their unhappiness. They live in a country where college graduates expect to enter careers earning high 5 or 6 (or 7) figure incomes, while half of the world lives on less than 2 dollars a day.

The average American household has more than two cars, where most of the world's households can't afford to buy new shoes for their children. Even the poorest American household will have a color television, while most of the world will only see a television through a store window.

These Americans that "hate America" have no idea how lucky they are. In a world of billions, more than than half of who live in poverty, they were born into a rich society (the "poverty" level in American is $15,000 a year, Barrack Obama's Kenyan half-brother lives on $25 a year) where they can say what they please, go where the please, and enjoy opportunities which are far beyond the wildest dreams of the majority of the world's people.

I'm living in Japan now, but that's not because I dislike America. I live in Japan because I like it here, but I will never love it as much as I love America.

For those who want to really know about America, read the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. They are unique documents in the world, the only other that equals them is the Magna Carta. America was founded on the principles of virtue and Right, and the vision those documents created still endures today.

For those Americans who hate America, you should do as I have done, and spend a few years living in the 3rd world. You'll come to appreciate what you have, and see that it's worth loving and defending.

Wow. Thanks. (I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm just utterly speechless.)

MMM 04-16-2009 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 698524)
Sorry, that was a political joke.

Yes, I'm a Republican.

"Against" Obama sounds sort of strange. But I haven't agreed with anything he's done so far.

Nothing? Really? Sure about that?

hinata2 04-16-2009 12:33 AM

yea u are right and some can be jerks.

XOXkAWAIiXOX 04-16-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hinata2 (Post 698573)
yea u are right and some can be jerks.

Americans?

MMM 04-16-2009 12:38 AM

America is not at war with Islam and Obama LIFTED the ban on stem cell research, which will allow American researchers to get caught up with the rest of the world in research to cure disease.

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698564)
For those Americans who hate America, you should do as I have done, and spend a few years living in the 3rd world. You'll come to appreciate what you have, and see that it's worth loving and defending.

Truer words have never been said. You'll find a new appreciation for your home country after spending a few weeks away. Things we take advantage of like walking on grass are not easy or even possible in many parts of the world (including Japan).

Invariably these threads are always started by someone who has never lived outside of the US.

Payne222 04-16-2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 698577)
You'll find a new appreciation for your home country after spending a few weeks away.

What I don't understand though is why people don't appreciate their home
country even without visiting another. I've never left the US (yet) and I
appreciate everything I have. I don't think lesser of other countries or higher
of America. I believe I was just born in a country with more opportunity and
I'm very thankful for it. Even if I disagree with political things, I'd NEVER turn
my back on this country.

Kenpachi11 04-16-2009 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Payne222 (Post 698580)
What I don't understand though is why people don't appreciate their home
country even without visiting another. I've never left the US (yet) and I
appreciate everything I have. I don't think lesser of other countries or higher
of America. I believe I was just born in a country with more opportunity and
I'm very thankful for it. Even if I disagree with political things, I'd NEVER turn
my back on this country.

i understand it and i would tell you but i just dont know how to explain it.

MMM 04-16-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Payne222 (Post 698580)
What I don't understand though is why people don't appreciate their home
country even without visiting another. I've never left the US (yet) and I
appreciate everything I have. I don't think lesser of other countries or higher
of America. I believe I was just born in a country with more opportunity and
I'm very thankful for it. Even if I disagree with political things, I'd NEVER turn
my back on this country.

You would have to ask them...but you will find a NEW appreciation once you get away. If you already love your home country you will love it even more.

darksyndrem 04-16-2009 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by XOXkAWAIiXOX (Post 698552)
Obama is trying to make peace with Islam because of what Bush did... just went in there and blew everything up. Obama's trying to stop that. He told the Islamic government, "America will never be at war with Islam." At first I didn't agree with it beacause they are the terrorists, but now that I actually look at it, it's a great idea. It's a way to stop terrorism. I know it won't happen in the near future, but "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"--Confucious. And stem-cell research doesn't affect the economy, but using it for reseans that will just cause chaos is a bad idea. Using for medical research is a good thing, which is why Obama said that stem-cell research will only be aloud for that purpose only.

So in order to stop terrorism we side with the largest group of terrorists? And Bush, I believe, was defending Israel and others that couldn't protect themselves, which is what America has done MANY times. But I guess that's lost, maybe America just doesn't care about anything but themselves anymore?

Oh and the thing with stubborness, I think I misunderstood your post, so sorry lol

nobora 04-16-2009 01:14 AM

Their jealous of America

hinata2 04-16-2009 01:17 AM

yea they might be.

nobora 04-16-2009 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hinata2 (Post 698621)
yea they might be.

thx 4 agrreeing

cridgit001 04-16-2009 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698564)
Hate or dislike is often the result of envy, and America has a lot to envy. It's not perfect, but you won't find another place in the world like it. I've traveled for many years, and I've been to many places, but there is no place like America.

Those Americans who seem to complain the most about their country are generally well-off and spoiled. They are unhappy with their lives in one way or another, and looking for something or someone to blame other than themselves for their unhappiness. They live in a country where college graduates expect to enter careers earning high 5 or 6 (or 7) figure incomes, while half of the world lives on less than 2 dollars a day.

The average American household has more than two cars, where most of the world's households can't afford to buy new shoes for their children. Even the poorest American household will have a color television, while most of the world will only see a television through a store window.

These Americans that "hate America" have no idea how lucky they are. In a world of billions, more than than half of who live in poverty, they were born into a rich society (the "poverty" level in American is $15,000 a year, Barrack Obama's Kenyan half-brother lives on $25 a year) where they can say what they please, go where the please, and enjoy opportunities which are far beyond the wildest dreams of the majority of the world's people.

I'm living in Japan now, but that's not because I dislike America. I live in Japan because I like it here, but I will never love it as much as I love America.

For those who want to really know about America, read the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. They are unique documents in the world, the only other that equals them is the Magna Carta. America was founded on the principles of virtue and Right, and the vision those documents created still endures today.

For those Americans who hate America, you should do as I have done, and spend a few years living in the 3rd world. You'll come to appreciate what you have, and see that it's worth loving and defending.

Such true words. Seriously makes me want to join the military. Especially after those Seals ghosted the pirates. Gets my blood pumping. Funny though, the French guys that got caught were like, "Hey, can you help us too?".

MMM 04-16-2009 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 698587)
So in order to stop terrorism we side with the largest group of terrorists? And Bush, I believe, was defending Israel and others that couldn't protect themselves, which is what America has done MANY times. But I guess that's lost, maybe America just doesn't care about anything but themselves anymore?


Yuna7780 04-16-2009 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 698524)
Yes, I'm a Republican.

I must give you a high five. I also don't agree with what Pres. Obama has done thus far...




This is Yuna's opinion:
There are just too many Wapanese (along with Wanna-Bes of other cultures) and people who don't appreciate freedoms of their countries that flood the internet.

There is never going to be a way to please everybody in one nation and people are stereotyped everywhere. All French people don't shave, Asians are all smart, Mexicans lawn-keep, and Americans are lazy.

For all I know, deal with the stereotypes because they are never going to go away.

Right now I don't like the political actions going on in America either, but I think we should avoid this subject on this forum... I've seen one too many troublesome things happen. :|

alanX 04-16-2009 06:27 AM

Everytime MMMさん facepalms someone, I laugh out loud.

Seriously, you think I'm kidding. I'm serious.

rison 04-16-2009 06:58 AM

Its a misconception....Americans are spoilt and not lazy.An Amercan wants to buy a cigarette from a mall down the street and he takes his SUV instead of walking, he might be very hardworking in fact.

See being spoilt is seen as laziness in some parts of the world.

rison 04-16-2009 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cridgit001 (Post 698641)
Such true words. Seriously makes me want to join the military. Especially after those Seals ghosted the pirates. Gets my blood pumping. Funny though, the French guys that got caught were like, "Hey, can you help us too?".

Yeah that, and America turned its back on them.:p

Pexster 04-16-2009 07:03 AM

Everything.

pumpum 04-16-2009 07:06 AM

er.. can i just mention here that America is that land that invented BAYWATCH !!! :rheart: :rheart: :rheart:
and the A-TEAM !!

how the hell could you hate a country that did that !:D

alanX 04-16-2009 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pumpum (Post 698723)
er.. can i just mention here that America is that land that invented BAYWATCH !!! :rheart: :rheart: :rheart:
and the A-TEAM !!

how the hell could you hate a country that did that !:D


MMM 04-16-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rison (Post 698720)
Its a misconception....Americans are spoilt and not lazy.An Amercan wants to buy a cigarette from a mall down the street and he takes his SUV instead of walking, he might be very hardworking in fact.

See being spoilt is seen as laziness in some parts of the world.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, and still simply a stereotype. Of course there are spoiled Americans...every first-world country has spoiled individuals.

But that is still a stereotype, and far from my experience.

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Originally Posted by rison (Post 698721)
Yeah that, and America turned its back on them.:p

What are you talking about? The French and Americans are working to get rid of the Somali pirates.

I love how we want the US to stop being the world's police until the moment we WANT the US to be the world's police.

"Mind your own business, but don't turn your back on us."

solemnclockwork 04-16-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by XOXkAWAIiXOX (Post 698552)
Obama is trying to make peace with Islam because of what Bush did... just went in there and blew everything up. Obama's trying to stop that. He told the Islamic government, "America will never be at war with Islam." At first I didn't agree with it beacause they are the terrorists, but now that I actually look at it, it's a great idea. It's a way to stop terrorism. I know it won't happen in the near future, but "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"--Confucious. And stem-cell research doesn't affect the economy, but using it for reseans that will just cause chaos is a bad idea. Using for medical research is a good thing, which is why Obama said that stem-cell research will only be aloud for that purpose only.

We blew up there religion? Strange

Did you forget 9/11?

Since when where we at war with Islam? I"m asking for evidence to support your claim. Obama made an fopaw with that one since we where never at war with Islam to begin with. Secondly you need to distinguish between the religion and terrorist. No it's not a way to stop someone who wants to kill you based on your ideology. There's no playing nice, I would at least expect people to understand this, since roughly 3,000 innocent people died because of terrorists. Look at the situation in Israel if you want to know where talking to Terrorists gets you.

Stem-cell research is a miss-understood research. I've heard both sides who say it would work/not and at the essence we simply do not know how much/effective it would be. What we need is a dialogue on the issue. Like for the fact we can get stem-cells from birthing fluid instead of using an egg (can't remember if it has to be fertilized). Me being pro-life fully supports using birthing fluid for research.

MMM 04-16-2009 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 698739)
We blew up there religion? Strange

Did you forget 9/11?

Since when where we at war with Islam? I"m asking for evidence to support your claim. Obama made an fopaw with that one since we where never at war with Islam to begin with. Secondly you need to distinguish between the religion and terrorist. No it's not a way to stop someone who wants to kill you based on your ideology. There's no playing nice, I would at least expect people to understand this, since roughly 3,000 innocent people died because of terrorists. Look at the situation in Israel if you want to know where talking to Terrorists gets you.

Stem-cell research is a miss-understood research. I've heard both sides who say it would work/not and at the essence we simply do not know how much/effective it would be. What we need is a dialogue on the issue. Like for the fact we can get stem-cells from birthing fluid instead of using an egg (can't remember if it has to be fertilized). Me being pro-life fully supports using birthing fluid for research.

We are not at war with Islam, and to say so is simply ignorant. Thank you for pointing that out again.

Stem-cell research is a new field. There is no reason not to explore the possibilities it may open up in fighting diseases like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancer as well as people with fertility problems and a host of other issues.

"I don't know how effective it would be". So therefore we shouldn't explore the possibilities? Come on.

I am curious as to why being pro-life would mean that stem-cell research wouldn't be feasible. Doesn't a woman's body "abort" an egg every month she isn't actively getting pregnant?

minimin 04-16-2009 08:08 AM

Hmmm yeah there are pre conceived notions about what Americans are how they look and what they do: their fat, lazy, partiers, who sit around and wait for things to come to them and will not do work. LIES. thats only some of the population now I m not one of those people who go around singing "I love America" to be quite frank I dont I was just born here, but still Im going to live here until life is unsustainable and if it gets much worse than it is now you can count I'll leave but until then I'll be American. I am glad that I wasnt born in a much worse country and that I dont have severe limitations as other countries do. But their are hard working people here who, work everyday and try to make their and others lifes better theres lots of things going on here other than us being an arrogant nation (which I completely agree with), in many ways we are arrogant, whats wrong with alittle self-Importance as long as its not to much. We do have flaws though as every nation does and Im okay with that their is NO perfect nation or place to live in and EVERY place will be found out to have some flaw. Im quite sure of it.

noodle 04-16-2009 08:18 AM

Wow... I knew that foreigners often spoke badly of America, but Americans doing the same? That's a new one for me! I think it's pretty selfish to be honest.

USA is by far one of the best countries in the world, and people born into such a society are very lucky in many ways. If I was unfortunate enough to still be in Algeria, I'd do anything to go live in America. Fair enough that their government makes a load of huge mistakes, but which government doesn't? And I'm sure if any country had the same power as the US, their mistakes would be just as influential to the world as those of the US. This has (almost) nothing to do with its people.

For all those Americans that dislike their country, please swap places with my family members that are still in Algeria, living in the fear of terrorism, the uncertainty of running water and an unemployment rate with affects a whole household, not just the individual.

MMM 04-16-2009 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 698748)
For all those Americans that dislike their country, please swap places with my family members that are still in Algeria, living in the fear of terrorism, the uncertainty of running water and an unemployment rate with affects a whole household, not just the individual.

Thank you, Noodle. I think many Americans, sadly, don't know how lucky they are.

minimin 04-16-2009 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 698748)
Wow... I knew that foreigners often spoke badly of America, but Americans doing the same? That's a new one for me! I think it's pretty selfish to be honest.

USA is by far one of the best countries in the world, and people born into such a society are very lucky in many ways. If I was unfortunate enough to still be in Algeria, I'd do anything to go live in America. Fair enough that their government makes a load of huge mistakes, but which government doesn't? And I'm sure if any country had the same power as the US, their mistakes would be just as influential to the world as those of the US. This has (almost) nothing to do with its people.

For all those Americans that dislike their country, please swap places with my family members that are still in Algeria, living in the fear of terrorism, the uncertainty of running water and an unemployment rate with affects a whole household, not just the individual.


I agree there because its not that I hate America I just with it was in a better place right now, I think I am quite luck to be here and not somewhere else as you have stated. I dislike the condition America is in right now, thats my problem but hopefully it will be fixed atleast within the yr or the next. I have some faith. I do still think America is a great nation. As said we have our problems but they will be fixed eventually. =)

solemnclockwork 04-16-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 698741)
"I don't know how effective it would be". So therefore we shouldn't explore the possibilities? Come on.

I am curious as to why being pro-life would mean that stem-cell research wouldn't be feasible. Doesn't a woman's body "abort" an egg every month she isn't actively getting pregnant?

Don't twist the argument about abortion, When does it become abortion when the body, does something that is natural? BIG DIFFERENCE to add to that egg was not fertilized was It? Also I said "WE not I don't know how effective they are right now".

There is a reason why we shouldn't explore areas that destroy life. It's embryo stem-cells which IS a fertilized egg. Which means it's human life. So when did it become ethical to destroy one life to save another?

Taken from the Chicago breaking news written by Bruce Japsen

A stem cell treatment designed to regenerate the heart led to less discomfort and an "improved tolerance" for exercise in patients suffering severe heart disease and chest pain known as angina, a study announced today that is led by Northwestern University and sponsored by Baxter International Inc. shows.

Nearly 170 adult patients were studied for six months after having their own stem cells injected into their hearts. Although still early in research, researchers conducting the trial say the results are significant enough that research will continue into a critical final stage with a larger group of patients studied.

"The six-month, phase II data provide the first evidence that a patient's own stem cells could actually be used as a treatment for their heart disease," said Dr. Douglas Losordo, director of Northwestern University's Feinberg Cardiovascular Research Institute.

After a final phase, Deerfield-based Baxter would then decide, likely within the next five years, whether to submit the product to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for possible approval. The study presented today was announced in Orlando at the annual meeting of the American College of Cardiology.

Losordo has been working with Baxter on the process of using adult stem cells to create new blood vessels in the cardiovascular system. The study is designed to investigate whether injecting adult stem cells directly into the heart can help patients rebound from severe coronary artery disease.

The research involves use of Baxter's Isolex cell separation and selection system to extract stem cells from the many types of cells in bone marrow. The cells, once carefully isolated using the machine, are then injected directly into the heart via catheter in hopes of regenerating damaged areas that trigger heart failure.

Stem cells are building-block cells that are able to develop into many different types of specialized cells. They serve as a sort of repair system for the body, and theoretically can divide without limit to replenish other cells as long as the person or animal is alive.

Supporters of stem cell research believe blood vessels leading to the heart can be rebuilt and that damaged areas of the heart can be regenerated.

Still, industry analysts and researchers involved in the Northwestern and Baxter research say there is a long way to go. Losordo said the results presented today, "while encouraging, are not yet definitive and require verification in a larger study."


Taken from the Chicago tribune written by TOMOKO A. HOSAKA

TOKYO (AP) — A new team of U.S. and Japanese researchers is stepping up the global race to perfect a cutting-edge technology that could offer an alternative to embryonic stem cell research.

Kyoto University and iZumi Bio Inc., a biotechnology startup based in South San Francisco, California, announced this week that they would begin collaborating on "induced pluripotent" stem cell technology — a type of cellular reprogramming that turns the clock back on ordinary skin tissue.

Called "iPS" for short, the new technique tinkers with human skin cells so they behave like embryonic stem cells, which can potentially morph into things like heart and nerve cells, as well as lead to new therapies for currently incurable diseases.

Scientists around the world have embraced the technology recently, in large part because it does not entail getting the stem cells from embryos, a process considered controversial by some.

The latest partnership brings together two heavyweights in the field — and raises hopes that their work could lead to faster, better results.

Scientist Shinya Yamanaka at the Kyoto University lab led one of two teams who were the first to report generating human iPS cells in late 2007. iZumi Bio was founded in 2007 and is backed by venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byers, which lists former Vice President Al Gore as one of its partners.

"The partnership between these two leading organizations is a critical step in furthering this research and turning stem cell research into therapeutic realities sooner," Gore said in a statement Tuesday.

The California firm says the researchers will initially focus on three neurological disorders — Parkinson's disease, spinal muscular atrophy and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis — a nerve affliction more commonly known as Lou Gehrig's Disease.

But when the announcement was made last year about the skin cells' transformation into stem cells, the technique required disrupting the skin cells' DNA, which raises the cancer risk.

Experts said that made it unacceptable for creating transplant tissue that could theoretically be used to treat diseases like Parkinson's and spinal cord injuries.

To avoid such risks, other scientists have urged that work continue on other ways of getting stem cells, such as via cloning.

The technique also faces other hurdles before it can be used to treat humans safely.

Akemi Nakamura, a spokesman for Kyoto University's Center for iPS Cell Research and Application, said Wednesday that it would take time before the technology could be used to treat patients and the teams have not yet established specific development timelines.

Even if the technology were to progress to clinical studies, the Japanese government has yet to establish clear research guidelines, she said.

But such guidelines — and money — may well be in the works. Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, who outlined last week a long-term strategy for Japanese growth, highlighted the country's leading position in stem cell research and pledged more government support in the coming years.


Taken from News-medical.net written by "doesn't say"

For the study, researchers from the Institute for Regenerative Medicine at Wake Forest University and Children's Hospital Boston found that amniotic cells in the laboratory can grow into all of the major types of cells, dividing at the rate of once every 36 hours. Researchers coaxed amniotic fluid stem cells to develop into brain cells and injected them into the skulls of mice with diseased brains. The stem cells replaced the diseased areas and appeared to create new connections with surrounding healthy neurons, the researchers reported. Researchers also coaxed amniotic fluid stem cells to become bone cells and implanted them in a mouse. The study found the stem cells calcified and turned into dense, healthy bone. The researchers also coaxed amniotic fluid stem cells to develop into muscle, fat, blood vessel and liver cells. Stem cells extracted from amniotic fluid can be isolated starting at 10 weeks' gestation from fluid taken during tests performed to identify birth defects, according to the study. The stem cells, even after more than two years in the laboratory, did not show signs of aging or of having the potential to grow into tumors, the study found. Amniotic stem cells can be frozen for later use, the Post reports.

According to the Post, amniotic fluid stem cells are "adding credence to an emerging consensus among experts that the popular distinction" between human embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells is "artificial" and that there is a "continuum of stem cell types" (Weiss, Washington Post, 1/8). Amniotic fluid stem cells are a "different kind of stem cell" that is "not as early as a human embryonic stem cell, and it's not as late as the adult stem cells," Anthony Atala, senior author of the study and director of the Institute for Regenerative Medicine at Wake Forest, said, adding, "So far, we've been successful with every cell type we've attempted to produce from these stem cells" (Kaplan, Los Angeles Times, 1/8). Atala said that if 100,000 women donated their amniotic stem cells to a cell bank, it would provide enough cells for "99% of the U.S. population with a perfect match for genetic transplantation" (Weise, USA Today, 1/8). He added that the stem cells can be found not only in amniotic fluid but also in the placenta, which is discarded after birth (Washington Post, 1/8). Richard Doerflinger, deputy director of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities, said that the study "is one in a line of studies showing very versatile stem cells can be obtained from a number of different products after live birth -- amniotic membrane, amniotic fluid, cord blood, placenta, even umbilical cord tissue," adding, "There is no reason why the amniotic fluid couldn't be obtained, raising no moral problem whatever" (Hall, San Francisco Chronicle, 11/8). Atala said it is unclear how many different cell types can be produced from amniotic stem cells, and researchers said that it will be several years before preliminary tests can be performed on patients, the AP/Houston Chronicle reports (Elias, AP/Houston Chronicle, 1/7). "[Amniotic fluid stem cells] can clearly generate a broad range of important cell types, but they may not do as many tricks as embryonic stem cells," Robert Lanza, head of scientific development for Advanced Cell Technology, said (Los Angeles Times, 1/8).

MMM 04-16-2009 08:48 AM

Why the filibuster? I shouldn't have asked in the first place....my fault.

(But are you actually reading the quotes you are posting?)

solemnclockwork 04-16-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 698760)
Why the filibuster? I shouldn't have asked in the first place....my fault.

(But are you actually reading the quotes you are posting?)

Yep. supporting my arguments with new research that not truly tested yet. then again my argument is ethical.

I posted three alternatives that are out there, that does not involve destroying life to save life. to support my argument, on two fronts one is ethical secondly I'll elaborate again, we simply do not know where the field is going to go. I will much rather error on the side of life.

Sangetsu 04-16-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 698741)
We are not at war with Islam, and to say so is simply ignorant. Thank you for pointing that out again.

Stem-cell research is a new field. There is no reason not to explore the possibilities it may open up in fighting diseases like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancer as well as people with fertility problems and a host of other issues.

"I don't know how effective it would be". So therefore we shouldn't explore the possibilities? Come on.

I am curious as to why being pro-life would mean that stem-cell research wouldn't be feasible. Doesn't a woman's body "abort" an egg every month she isn't actively getting pregnant?

Significant parts of Islam are at war with the West, and though the west may deny they are at war with Islam, well, it takes 2 to tango, doesn't it? The war in Afghanistan is against the Taliban, who are fundamentalist Muslims. We may say that we are fighting against extremist individuals, but we are also fighting against the belief system that drives their actions.

As for stem cell research, that's tricky. Stem cell treatments have shown promise, and some treatments using them have been successful. But these successes lie only with adult stem cells, or those obtained from umbilical cord blood. After years of attempts there has not been one single successful treatment involving the use of embryonic stem cells. In order for embryonic stem cells to be more or less matched to patients, they must be cloned. In effect, a life must be created, and then destroyed in order to treat a disease. This is where the problem lies with embryonic stem cell research. Nature has it's own way to deal with severe disease, and that is death. People die, and new people are born to replace them. It seems fundamentally selfish to deny a life in order to save another which has already spent it's time in the world. It's almost comparable to someone eating their children to prevent their own starvation.

Ningyou 04-16-2009 12:44 PM

I don't think the problem is people being American--it's like everything else, you can't condemn the whole group. I know people that are incredibly hard working and not overly self indulgent.

Things suck here right now because of the economy, and whether people are for, against, or don't really care about Obama in general doesn't really matter anymore. Just like when Bush was president most people hated him at the end of it and couldn't really do anything about it, since they're the ones who put him in office to begin with--TWICE.

But hopefully things start looking up here. But although I have said many times that I wish to leave the U.S. someday, I think that will only be to travel for a few years and return. Because no matter how much Americans talk shit about this country, it's still your homes.

Try to fix yourselves and then maybe other people will follow and things will get better.

If you don't want to do that, then sit back, download some more porn, and let the stereotypes continue :D

noodle 04-16-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698841)
Significant parts of Islam are at war with the West, and though the west may deny they are at war with Islam, well, it takes 2 to tango, doesn't it? The war in Afghanistan is against the Taliban, who are fundamentalist Muslims. We may say that we are fighting against extremist individuals, but we are also fighting against the belief system that drives their actions.

Could you explain what you mean by significant parts of Islam? Do you mean the religion itself or the people that follow the religion?

Sangetsu 04-16-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ningyou (Post 698842)
I don't think the problem is people being American--it's like everything else, you can't condemn the whole group. I know people that are incredibly hard working and not overly self indulgent.

Things suck here right now because of the economy, and whether people are for, against, or don't really care about Obama in general doesn't really matter anymore. Just like when Bush was president most people hated him at the end of it and couldn't really do anything about it, since they're the ones who put him in office to begin with--TWICE.

But hopefully things start looking up here. But although I have said many times that I wish to leave the U.S. someday, I think that will only be to travel for a few years and return. Because no matter how much Americans talk shit about this country, it's still your homes.

Try to fix yourselves and then maybe other people will follow and things will get better.

If you don't want to do that, then sit back, download some more porn, and let the stereotypes continue :D

Exactly how do things "suck" in America right now? How is your life affected? What hardships are you personally enduring?

Do you think Europe is a better place? European unemployment is about double that of America. In the more socialist parts of Europe (like Sweden), the number is closer to quadruple (or higher).

Many young Americans claim that "America sucks" because they've been brought up to "question authority". They think for some reason that it is cool or trendy to be cynical or even rebellious in their opinion of their country. That's not difficult to do to people who have never been anywhere else, and who take the opinions of others rather than going to the trouble of forming their own.

Eintein said to "question everything". He didn't say that because he wanted to prove things wrong; more often than not, he wanted to prove things right.

The Constitution states: We the people, in order to for a more perfect union..." There is no such thing as a "perfect" union (or country). But America is as close as it gets.

Sangetsu 04-16-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 698845)
Could you explain what you mean by significant parts of Islam? Do you mean the religion itself or the people that follow the religion?

Religion is merely a belief. It is people who give it voice and action. Too often religion is a tool used to oppress and control rather than as a means toward happiness, peace, or salvation.

God is not shooting people, nor is he telling them to blow themselves up and kill others to further his glory. So it's obviously the people who are at war, and so it is against those people we fight.

noodle 04-16-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698851)
Religion is merely a belief. It is people who give it voice and action. Too often religion is a tool used to oppress and control rather than as a means toward happiness, peace, or salvation.

God is not shooting people, nor is he telling them to blow themselves up and kill others to further his glory. So it's obviously the people who are at war, and so it is against those people we fight.

Ok, but that doesn't really answer my question.

As for the religion being used to oppress and control thing, I'd say thats more of a cliche than anything. Religion is also a tool that brings hapiness, hope, togetherness and much more to billions of people. But of course, this is rarely mentioned in todays world, which is of course a world that is moving furthar and further away from religious ethics and beliefs as each day goes by. Religion has also helped in the advancement in many fields of study all over the world. Lets not forget that the muslim world was centuries ahead of the rest of the world in its golden years.

At the end of the day, religion brings people together just as it pushes them apart. It all depends on the situation, but religion is in no way Evil! A few rotton apples doesn't make the whole thing a shamble!

Ronin4hire 04-16-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 698851)
Religion is merely a belief. It is people who give it voice and action. Too often religion is a tool used to oppress and control rather than as a means toward happiness, peace, or salvation.

God is not shooting people, nor is he telling them to blow themselves up and kill others to further his glory. So it's obviously the people who are at war, and so it is against those people we fight.

Using your logic one could conclude that the West is also fighting a war against Christianity too.

The only country which really has such a fundamentalist Islamic society in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia.. and ironically it's the United States best friend in the region alongside Israel. Even Iran has a thriving Jewish minority believe it or not. (Seriously switch off FOX news)

isisbathory 04-16-2009 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XOXkAWAIiXOX (Post 698494)
Sorry if there is already a thread for this.

I don't like America very much, but it is my homeland and I get very offended when someone says that Americans are lazy and stupid. Not all Americans are like that. I am not lazy and I'm actually very smart. I study in and out of school. What's up with all these stereotypes against Americans?? I hear it all the time and most of it isn't completely true! Please inform. Arigato.


I just dont like the fact that many or most of the americans seem to think that they own the world, and what I find even more stupid is that some people seem to believe in that, and to look at american people as some sort of Gods, for me that's idiot

cridgit001 04-16-2009 03:25 PM

I own the world? Since when. I see no deed for it?


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