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I'll say it again. You could use the same logic that you used here to justify saying that the West is at war with Islam to say that the West is at war with Christianity too. Now does that make sense to you? |
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Regardless of whats been done in the past torture isnt okay by any standards, or for anyone. Its my opinion and aint gonna change anytime soon. hmmm...depressing world we live in these days... |
Why did this thread get turned into a thread about war? Please get B.O.T.
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I am going to second AlanX`s sentiment here.
This topic is not about the war, or about US military activity. Don`t give me a reason to close the thread. |
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Americans are just whats left in the bowl after baking a cake,it's not good but at the same time it's not bad it's just there to use or throw out
but don't hate americans or you'll become the thing you hate IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE. |
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Russia, Australia, Mexico, France, Japan, Iran, Kenya -- you name it... People from virtually all parts of the world live in America, and many of them are proud of it. By saying you hate Americans, you're not only offending "White" people; you're also offending the people of different races and cultures that create modern America; you're potentially saying you hate the world. Maybe that sounds too simplistic...
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X: I hate chocolate Y: Oh that must mean you must hate milk because milk is in chocolate No, X doesn't hate milk, he just hates chocolate. Get a clue  |
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At the same time I was frustrated with the...simplicity...some people approach issues on this thread, I found a very interesting experiment done by someone in New York City.
I have only been to New York City one time. I am from the Pacific Northwest, and the lifestyle is a bit different in Portland, Oregon compared to New York City, NY. In this experiment the researcher sent little robots out onto the street with flags designating their intended destination. Much to the researcher's surprise and pleasure, people helped the tiny robots get to their "destination". Every time the robot got caught under a park bench, ground futilely against a curb, or became trapped in a pothole, some passerby would always rescue it and send it toward its goal. Never once was a Tweenbot lost or damaged. If you think Americans are nothing but arrogant war-monging fatties, maybe this link will give you a tiny slice of another perspective. TWEENBOTS  Would people in your hometown help a random robot find its way? Would they? |
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and to your question about the bomb crap, if someone doesn't want to give information, torture wont make them they'll simply suffer(and if they give in and say they did it, they did it so the pain would stop). Sure it has happened before. but I dont think talking here will change a damn thing, as said before internet arguing is so ridiculous so Im done bye-bye. :ywave: |
So you're saying that in the biggest melting pot in the states where the so called bad part of our society is high that many ppl showed the same characteristics (or human s showing human nature) towards the aimless wandering robots.wile alot more stood along side and watched or ignored the robots (or human s showing human nature)that even tough we are all together some of us aren't good and some of us aren't bad. or something eles intirely.
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Having read a lot about Iran and Iraq, I can safely tell you that since the Islamic revolution and the Khomeini protection in Iran, Tehran has 11 functioning synagogues, many of them having Hebrew schools. There is a Jewish hospital, an old-age home and a cemetery. There is a Jewish representative in the Iranian parliament. There is a Jewish library with 20,000 titles. All of this for a comunity of around 25,000 in the country! As for the last part, "always have", when did always start for you? People seem to forget that the middle east was a peaceful place for centuries until the west (English and French mainly) came and disturbed the peace. In Iraq, Muslims, Christians and Jews lived happily together for centuries. |
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In practice this means that a life of a Jew in Iran has very little value. In addition, since Iranian courts routinely refuse to accept the testimony of a Jew against a Muslim, most cases of this sort are not even prosecuted and the police do not even investigate such claims. As a result of their legally inferior status, Jews find themselves outside the protection of the courts and police. This is not simply a perception on their part, but rather, sadly, a harsh reality. In none of the cases of the murder of Jews in Iran has a perpetrator ever been found, much less prosecuted. Jews are excluded from most government positions. Virtually all government entities (most sectors in Iran are government-owned) have a "Muslim only" policy and they print this requirement in their job notices in newspapers. This formal exclusion of Jews from large areas of employment is badly damaging to the Jews. Most private companies, thanks to the anti-Semitic media campaign in Iran, do not hire Jews either. Most Jews are forced into self-employment, but due to general public prejudice, few buy anything from them. The US State Department Religious Freedom Report of 2001 confirms that Jewish businesses have been targets of vandalism and boycotts. However, the most widely publicized example of the Islamic Regime views on the Holocaust came again from Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, who in March 2001, denied the Holocaust and called the survivors of the death camps "a bunch of hooligans who emigrated to Palestine." Iran has also become the world headquarters for the publication of a constant stream of European and American revisionist historians who have denied the existence of the Holocaust. Primary among these are the works of Roger Garaudy, a French revisionist to Shia Islam. Garaudy's books have been widely translated and distributed in Iran, in part not by the fundamentalists, but rather by the so-called reform circles. While the Islamic Republic does not guarantee the right of free speech and protest to any of its citizens, the situation, because of the Islamic Law, is considerably worse for the Jews. If an Iranian Muslim criticizes the Islamic Republic, he himself can be punished; if a Jew does it, under the laws of the Islamic Republic his actions may legally affect the well being of the entire Jewish community. Do I have to say anymore about Iran? |
Do you mind giving me the source of this article? Because I can easily go find an article that is of the exact oposite of what you just pasted!:)
Like, I can easily paste this! And come to the conclusion that Jews that have left Iran are overly negative about the country, whereas the Jews left in Iran arn't particularly upset or whatever! Testimony from Jews who have left Iran suggests more serious problems than those cited by Jews inside the country. In written testimony to a congressional subcommittee in February 1996, an Iranian Jew complained of being imprisoned for two years on trumped-up charges of spying for Israel. He also said his arrest was preceded by harassment at work and pressure to convert to Islam. Inside Iran, Jews say that they frequently receive alarmed telephone calls and letters from relatives in the United States concerned about their well-being, but that they themselves do not feel physically endangered. Their major complaint is the inability to visit family in Israel, and what they say is inadequate funding for Hebrew schools, which are administered by the Iranian Ministry of Education. ''Everywhere in the world there are people who don't like Jews. In England, they draw swastikas on Jewish graves. I don't think that Iran is more dangerous for Jews than other places.'' |
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there's a difference in having the people put demeaning marks on a grave and having the government do it. Religious minorities were barred from election to a representative body, except for the five Majles seats reserved for recognized religious minorities (two for the Armenian Christians, and one each for the Assyrian Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians), and from holding senior government or military positions, but they were allowed to vote. Although the constitution mandates an Islamic army, members of religious minorities served in the military, although non-Muslim promotions were limited by a military restriction against non-Muslims commanding Muslims. Reportedly non-Muslims can be officers during their mandatory military service but cannot be career military officers. The legal system previously discriminated against recognized religious minorities in relation to blood money; however, in 2004 the Expediency Council authorized collection of equal blood money for the death of Muslim and non-Muslim men. All women and Baha'i and Sabean-Mandean men remained excluded from the revised ruling. According to the law, Baha'i blood is considered mobah, meaning it can be spilled with impunity. Inheritance laws favored Muslim family members over non-Muslims. For example, under existing inheritance laws, if a non-Muslim converted to Islam, that person would inherit all family holdings while non-Muslim relatives would receive nothing. Proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims was illegal. The government did not ensure the right of citizens to change or recant their religion. Apostasy, specifically conversion from Islam, was punishable by death, although there were no reported instances of the death penalty being applied for apostasy during the year. In December 2006 the government sponsored a conference entitled, "Review of the Holocaust: Global Vision." This conference was widely criticized as it sought to provide a forum for those who deny the existence or scope of the Holocaust. Speakers at the conference universally called for the elimination or delegitimization of the state of Israel and alleged that the Holocaust did not occur or was an exaggeration used by Jews for political and financial gains. The conference was followed by the establishment of the World Foundation for Holocaust Studies, run by a committee of Holocaust deniers. In May 2006 a local magazine published photos of synagogues draped in U.S. and Israeli flags and claimed they were in Tehran and Shiraz when in fact they were outside of the country. Anti-Jewish and anti-Israel demonstrations followed in Shiraz. The Jewish MP protested in the Majles and was supported by the Speaker of the Majles, Gholam Ali Hadded Adel, who reprimanded the magazine. Taken from Iran |
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You're right.... but only to a certain extent. Hating milk (The World) can act as the foundation for hating chocolate (America) because they are closely related. Though, I'm not sure comparing America to chocolate and The World to milk is an accurate analogy -- assuming you were aiming to be accurate. Modern day America comprises significantly of foreign people and cultures; You can't have modern day America without having foreign cultures ~ While you can have chocolate without milk. America is largely diverse. Name any country in the world and I can almost guarantee you there are people from that country that live in - or better yet: migrated to - America. So, when a person says they hate Americans, who, exactly, are they referring to? |
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sucks, why hate it and still live there why act all...mean soooo funny...main though, when i get out of america im going japan! ..uhuh..*walks away*
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but that was only a small percent of the big picture! if he did this for ten years with documentation , videos of the some people who help the robots.instead stating that sum us of helped and sum of us didn't then i wouldve understood his social experiment FULLY but he just proved that americans arent bad but there not good either he got idea across some helped some didnt, not that all americans are good in thier own way
(hint)sum good ,I know that not all who didnt help aren't bad they were confused or just didnt care. but he didnt do it to prove that either just proved that most of all americans are to stupid realize that something so innocent can be extremely deadly you should know youre into robots. |
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TWEENBOTS Basically the writer took "robots" (toys, really) attached with post card that wrote their intended final destination. The robots are not radio-controlled. They only go in straight lines. So it would take the help of New Yorkers to get the robots to where they need to go. Sounds like an easy way to lose some toys, right. No, in every case, the robots made their way from the helpful assistance of the seemingly busy and "arrogant" Americans living in New York. Naturally not EVERY single person who saw the robot helped them, but enough did that not a single robot didn't complete it's mission. The robots were not screaming for help, but just puttering down the sidewalk.  With the help of 29 different individuals one robot made it across Washington Square Park.  There were no TV cameras and no rewards, just unrelated people turning a little toy in the right direction. Your mistake, skitty, is making the leap in logic that those that didn't help the robots were "bad". How you come up with the logic of your last line makes me want to buy you a one way ticket out of America and see if you can find your way back. |
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i do live in london but im just telling u what most kids probally think " i hate my country ah i wanna live in japan" ehh ehhhh
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Your words, Tifa. That's all you have to communicate with.
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I don't understand what you're trying to prove here MMM. The experiment was done in a park in which out, like what, 100 or maybe more people 29 helped a robot to get to destination. So what does that mean, that not all New Yorker's are busy "arrogant" people? What? |
When the world sees an american that sticks out like a sore thumb, we take a sledgehammer to bash him in line with the others. The only problem is that we bash a lot more than intended.
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What I'm trying to say is THEY DO NOT SEE JEWS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS A PERSON, why can't you get that? Does that fact that they support Hasbala, want to destroy the Israel nation, and call them pigs not sound alarming to you? To add to that they NEVER DID get along with Jews. I do think it's common knowledge of the wedge between Jews and Muslims. The quote should be alarming enough if it came from Iran, but my point was lost about it. Last point I"m going to make, I don't care for what you want to call it, but please provide information on how nice Iran is to Jews, I mean when you can't even hold an government position because of your religion, that necessarily don't qualify you for nice person of the year. Also I don't care for the "western media conspiracy crap" seriously you don't have proof of it, why even bring it up? |
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However, if you read that link and get "Out of a huge park full of people ONLY 29 people helped the tiny robot get to its destination" I think your psychiatrist needs to put you on anti-depressants. Or at least ease off the emo a bit. It's making you very negative and cynical. Ask yourself: what is this a picture of?  |
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Think you're the who needs to see a psychiatrist, 'cause there are many BAD thoughts are squishing that brain of yours. |
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I didn't insult you. However if ANYONE read that link and got such a negative reaction from the findings, I think that person needs to get out of the goth waters and get a little sunshine. Try this for starters: YouTube - Susan Boyle - Singer - Britains Got Talent 2009 (With Lyrics) |
The question is not what is wrong with Americans, but rather what is wrong with humans.
Nationalist squabbles are absolutely silly at this point in our history. The sooner people recognise this, the better. |
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Uhh ok... I was gone for one day. Wow. :eek: Umm.... I just wanted to know why I was being stereotyped so much. Jeez...
So, if anyone cares about the children in Uganda(Cenral East Africa) please take a moment to go to therescue.invisiblechildren.com and watch the video. it will break your heart. Please donate and come to the rally(if you're near one) and just show how much you care. I know this is random, but it's importnant. Also, I haven't spoken a word today! You know why? It's the Day Of Silence! It's basically a protest agaiinst discrimination of gays, lesbians, bisexuals, tranvestites, and pansexuals. :) I hope y'all participate in the The Rescue and HAPPY DAY OF SILENCE! |
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