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Zagato289 07-21-2009 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 750173)


So, you block someone when you disagree.

Wow. You might aswell block me now.
nah only when they all hardcore and with ignorance. your still cool.:vsign:

alanX 07-21-2009 08:30 PM
OH MY GOD PLEASE DON'T BLOCK ME OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!11

Salvanas said pretty much the exact same thing I did. He also said they only time it's somewhat acceptable is if you have deformed organs, which is obviously not the individuals fault. Which I completely agree with.

Grow up, kid.

Columbine 07-21-2009 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 750153)
You're a liberal tree-hugger, aren't you? Not bashing... just asking.

It is their fault. They're gay. Bottom line, there's nothing else to it. It's not a mental issue, not a disease, not a self-conscious issue, they're gay. Stop trying to make it difficult.

They want to change because they're gay. And they have a reason to be gay. Usually along the lines of wanting to stand out, or just be different from society, or just to be rebellious. There is no "gay disease" that makes people gay when they're born. That's not how life works, face reality.
Sorry WHAT? No, that's not true at all! There might be a trend at the moment that bisexuality and homosexuality is an 'in' thing, but many homosexuals aren't identifying as such just to rebel or stand out. In fact a lot of homosexuals make a great effort to blend in, refute the stereotype and prefer NOT stand out in any way.

And whilst i'll agree it's certainly not a 'disease', homosexuality is and has been proven to be underlined by certain biological phenomena; for some it's not 'just a decision' and transgender DOES NOT equate to homosexual either. Some, even post op, still prefer or remain attracted to the chromosome opposite gender. What could be called 'Male lesbianism', for example.

Frankly it's ridiculous to dismiss the idea of gender identity disorders, or try and parcel them as 'gay'. Homosexuals don't wake every morning feeling that they are one thing, only to be repeatedly confronted with a body and a society that screams the complete opposite. Homosexual men don't identify as female and Lesbian women don't identify as male. It's a completely separate issue.

It's also ridiculous to try and separate mental and physical; the majority of mental disorders have some degree of underlying physiological anomaly, even socially triggered disorders. Moreover, any so-called aberration of the body, even something as straightforward as a broken leg, affects the mind to some degree. It works the other way around as well; good health leads to a positive outlook. Disease and mind (and by association self-consciousness) are all highly inter-related. Any doctor or psychologist would tell you that.

Miyavifan 07-21-2009 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 749930)

The discussion of this sort of thing always interests me, because it`s something I have a feeling I`ll have to deal with in the future. My son - while genetically male - was exposed to virtually no male hormones during gestation and didn`t develop male sexual organs. His body is not producing male hormones to a level anywhere close to normal. We have been told that there is a pretty fair chance that he will not be a "boy" - and already he`s literally worlds away in behavior. What that means in the long run, well, we won`t know until we get there. But if he is certain he is a girl for pretty much his whole life, I would have no qualms about letting him have a sex change at 16.
I'm confused. How can he be genetically male, with no male organs?
I just wish to understand.

As for the topic of this thread. I think 16 is too young, biologically, as typically the body isn't done developing yet.

darksyndrem 07-21-2009 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 749838)

And, damn. If I didn't know she used to be a he, I would've tapped that.
That's actually exactly what I was thinking.

Zagato289 07-21-2009 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 750180)
I'm confused. How can he be genetically male, with no male organs?
I just wish to understand.

As for the topic of this thread. I think 16 is too young, biologically, as typically the body isn't done developing yet.
yeah those things happen. Im also want learn more about how it happens.

Columbine 07-21-2009 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 750180)
I'm confused. How can he be genetically male, with no male organs?
I just wish to understand.

As for the topic of this thread. I think 16 is too young, biologically, as typically the body isn't done developing yet.
The same way transgender men can be genetically male without male genitalia. Basically there's three kinds of gender- genetic gender (your chromosomes, XX or XY, unless you're one of those rarities with a double chromosome or a missing/ partially missing chromosome), a mental gender which is usually just referred to as 'gender' and means what You feel you are on the inside, and biological gender or 'sex' which is what your body shows in terms of genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics (things that begin during puberty like beards, boobs, etc). So you can have female chromosomes but a male body, for example (and does happen), or in this case, a male chromosome but an androgynous/indistinct sex.

Miyavifan 07-21-2009 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Zagato289 (Post 750184)
yeah those things happen. Im also want learn more about how it happens.
I know they do.... but I think to be biologically anything, don't you need to have the body parts, or is the only necessary thing the hormones?

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Originally Posted by Zagato289 (Post 750146)
First, thanks, but i did try that before but didnt work.. :) Second, no matter what, you still need to watch ur languange or you will get busted.
You must not have done it right then, cause it's real simple.

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 750153)
You're a liberal tree-hugger, aren't you? Not bashing... just asking.

It is their fault. They're gay. Bottom line, there's nothing else to it. It's not a mental issue, not a disease, not a self-conscious issue, they're gay. Stop trying to make it difficult.

They want to change because they're gay. And they have a reason to be gay. Usually along the lines of wanting to stand out, or just be different from society, or just to be rebellious. There is no "gay disease" that makes people gay when they're born. That's not how life works, face reality.
What sex person you're into has nothing to do with what sex you feel you are.

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Originally Posted by Zagato289 (Post 750157)
do you know what cuases homosexuallity? It could a disease. No one really knows so far. It can also be just nonsense. Noone knows. But still we have to respect their opinions.

Homosexuality isn't a disease.

Zagato289 07-21-2009 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 750186)
I know they do.... but I think to be biologically anything, don't you need to have the body parts, or is the only necessary thing the hormones?



You must not have done it right then, cause it's real simple.
i guess i didnt,lol, im new to online stuff n still learning.

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Originally Posted by Columbine (Post 750185)
The same way transgender men can be genetically male without male genitalia. Basically there's three kinds of gender- genetic gender (your chromosomes, XX or XY, unless you're one of those rarities with a double chromosome or a missing/ partially missing chromosome), a mental gender which is usually just referred to as 'gender' and means what You feel you are on the inside, and biological gender or 'sex' which is what your body shows in terms of genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics (things that begin during puberty like beards, boobs, etc). So you can have female chromosomes but a male body, for example (and does happen), or in this case, a male chromosome but an androgynous/indistinct sex.
wow. im glad they made this threat. Kudos to Tenchu. im learn something different every day.:)

Miyavifan 07-21-2009 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbine (Post 750185)
The same way transgender men can be genetically male without male genitalia. Basically there's three kinds of gender- genetic gender (your chromosomes, XX or XY, unless you're one of those rarities with a double chromosome or a missing/ partially missing chromosome), a mental gender which is usually just referred to as 'gender' and means what You feel you are on the inside, and biological gender or 'sex' which is what your body shows in terms of genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics (things that begin during puberty like beards, boobs, etc). So you can have female chromosomes but a male body, for example (and does happen), or in this case, a male chromosome but an androgynous/indistinct sex.
Thank you for explaining this to me. I still don't understand though. I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by Zagato289 (Post 750187)
i guess i didnt,lol, im new to online stuff n still learning.
I can see if I can help you, in a PM, if you'd like?


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