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Allene7 08-31-2009 07:23 PM

Eyelids?
 
My husbands best friend is from Taiwan and he always complains about how his mom makes him do "eye exercises" to try and make his eyes more open looking. Apparently his mom even complains if they're watching a movie and one of the actors doesn't have eyes that are wide enough and so then she says she doesn't like that actor/actress because of their eyes. His dad also just recently got a surgery done to get a fold in his eyelids. I had seen a documentary a few years ago about a girl who used to use double sided tape on her eyelids to give them that fold. The documentary didn't really explain much aside from the girl saying that she hated her eyes and felt ugly and never wanted to be seen without the tape on her eyes, and how all her other friends do it too.

So my question is, what exactly happened that caused eyelids/eyes to be such a big deal? What caused this feeling of needing a fold to be pretty and having wide eyes to look good? Also, when did this start? At what point in history and why exactly is it still such a big deal? Is it more of an older generation thing? My husbands friend doesn't really seem to care about eyes at all and finds his mom rather annoying. I think that people can be just as beautiful without folds on their eyelids as they can be with them. Same goes for small eyes vs. big eyes. I just don't see anything ugly about it.

I'm just curious to understand so if I've said anything offensive or made any kind of unwarranted generalizations, I'm very sorry.

kMal 08-31-2009 07:43 PM

I think it's absolutely shameful to hear such a thing.
I think it's a matter of personal preference, but you should not change the way your eyes look. Why would you want to do that? To hide the fact that they are Asian or something? I find the "common" Asian appearance extremely beautiful and attractive. I also have almond shaped eyes. And I'm glad I do, but if I didn't have almond shaped eyes, it would not have bothered me. It's just the way we are.

Like I said: shameful and disrespectful to nature.

Allene7 08-31-2009 07:59 PM

I also find Asians to be beautiful. I love the way their eyes look, whether they're small, wide, without a fold, or with a fold. I think it's very sad that having almond shaped eyes can be such a negative thing to some people and I just don't understand what brought this way of thinking about and what's causing it to continue for some.

Miyavifan 08-31-2009 09:56 PM

I don't understand it. However they are, fold or no fold, etc. It's all beautiful to me.

JayT 08-31-2009 11:52 PM

I wish my eyes were bigger >__>

darksyndrem 08-31-2009 11:58 PM

I like my eyes....but my hair.....is ridiculous >_<

Kandierain15 09-01-2009 12:06 AM

Imo, i think that you should accept how you look.Learn to love your body and attributes for what they are.

darksyndrem 09-01-2009 01:29 AM

What are these folds you're talking about anyhow???

Miyavifan 09-01-2009 01:34 AM

eyelid creases

darksyndrem 09-01-2009 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 766856)
eyelid creases

Wow great synonym...what are these creases your talking about?

Miyavifan 09-01-2009 01:38 AM

synonym?

I'm talking about the line that shows up when you close your eyes.

darksyndrem 09-01-2009 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 766858)
synonym?

I'm talking about the line that shows up when you close your eyes.

I asked what an eyelid fold was and you just changed the word for fold....instead of like...answering me....anyways, I still haven't a clue what you're talking about...picture maybe?

Miyavifan 09-01-2009 01:44 AM

I didn't change it, I gave another word for it, to try to help.

this is the best I can find.

Apple of my Eye on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

darksyndrem 09-01-2009 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 766861)
I didn't change it, I gave another word for it, to try to help.

Same thing...anyways...thanks for the help anyhow

Miyavifan 09-01-2009 01:50 AM

*sighs*

welcome

ozkai 09-01-2009 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allene7 (Post 766791)
My husbands best friend is from Taiwan and he always complains about how his mom makes him do "eye exercises" to try and make his eyes more open looking. Apparently his mom even complains if they're watching a movie and one of the actors doesn't have eyes that are wide enough and so then she says she doesn't like that actor/actress because of their eyes. His dad also just recently got a surgery done to get a fold in his eyelids. I had seen a documentary a few years ago about a girl who used to use double sided tape on her eyelids to give them that fold. The documentary didn't really explain much aside from the girl saying that she hated her eyes and felt ugly and never wanted to be seen without the tape on her eyes, and how all her other friends do it too.

So my question is, what exactly happened that caused eyelids/eyes to be such a big deal? What caused this feeling of needing a fold to be pretty and having wide eyes to look good? Also, when did this start? At what point in history and why exactly is it still such a big deal? Is it more of an older generation thing? My husbands friend doesn't really seem to care about eyes at all and finds his mom rather annoying. I think that people can be just as beautiful without folds on their eyelids as they can be with them. Same goes for small eyes vs. big eyes. I just don't see anything ugly about it.

I'm just curious to understand so if I've said anything offensive or made any kind of unwarranted generalizations, I'm very sorry.

I am wondering if your husbands best friend is knwing you posted such a query on a public forum?

I do believe that your query is generalizing towards Asian feelings, although I do not believe the "eyelid" scenario affects most, but rather the more insecure of not feeling happy what you were born with.

As for me, I've never taken any notice of my lids and have always been more focussed on my toe nails.

xYinniex 09-01-2009 02:14 AM

OH. SINGLE EYELIDS as opposed to double eyelids.
Basically, the lid folds over to give your eyes so your eyes have less dimension. apparently a majority of asians have it.

It's a beauty thing, my grandma wants it done, purely because it gets droopy with old age and just drops over her eyes. actually, only asian women are concerned, in asia, double eyelids are seen as beautiful, i think purely because what they can't have they want.

darksyndrem 09-01-2009 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 766861)
I didn't change it, I gave another word for it, to try to help.

this is the best I can find.

Apple of my Eye on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

ohhhhh I gotcha now! (y)

ozkai 09-01-2009 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 766874)
OH. SINGLE EYELIDS as opposed to double eyelids.
Basically, the lid folds over to give your eyes so your eyes have less dimension. apparently a majority of asians have it.

It's a beauty thing, my grandma wants it done, purely because it gets droopy with old age and just drops over her eyes. actually, only asian women are concerned, in asia, double eyelids are seen as beautiful, i think purely because what they can't have they want.

The only problem I can see is having to fork out extra $$$ on moisture cream:mtongue:

Allene7 09-01-2009 02:43 AM

Is there a problem to posting such a query on a public forum when no names were used? Plus, what he said got me thinking. It wasn't the first time I've heard eyelids talked about and I thought this would be a great place to post the question. I'll be seeing his friend tomorrow and plan on asking him any ways but I was curious to what everyone else had to say on the subject. His opinion on it is only one persons and I'd like more then that to help answer my question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 766868)
I am wondering if your husbands best friend is knwing you posted such a query on a public forum?

I do believe that your query is generalizing towards Asian feelings, although I do not believe the "eyelid" scenario affects most, but rather the more insecure of not feeling happy what you were born with.

As for me, I've never taken any notice of my lids and have always been more focussed on my toe nails.


yuujirou 09-01-2009 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 766816)
I don't understand it. However they are, fold or no fold, etc. It's all beautiful to me.

LIES! =.=
i hate my eyes ;_;
since they have no fold....
so it's uber weird to put on make-up =.=''

Allene7 09-01-2009 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuujirou (Post 766911)
LIES! =.=
i hate my eyes ;_;
since they have no fold....
so it's uber weird to put on make-up =.=''

Not having the folds makes it harder to put make up on? I didn't even consider that. Is that the only thing that makes you dislike your eyes or are there other reasons too?

HungryForRamen 09-01-2009 11:22 AM

I remember reading about this once in a fiction novel and being very surprised. I'm an American, but I picked up the book anyway and found it very interesting and shocking to me that Asians think this way. I personally find the Asian people and their culture extremely beautiful.
The book:

darksyndrem 09-01-2009 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 766816)
I don't understand it. However they are, fold or no fold, etc. It's all beautiful to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allene7 (Post 766802)
I also find Asians to be beautiful. I love the way their eyes look, whether they're small, wide, without a fold, or with a fold. I think it's very sad that having almond shaped eyes can be such a negative thing to some people and I just don't understand what brought this way of thinking about and what's causing it to continue for some.

Wait....did you guys just say that Asians are beautiful no matter how they look???...........wtf?!?

NanteNa 09-01-2009 05:01 PM

Hooooold on.
Almond shaped does not equal narrow Asian style.

And I don't blame Asians for wanting eyelid surgery. Doing exercises won't make your eyes wider tho. lolz.
From what I've heard, it's worse in the Phillippines tho. They use moisturizers with bleaching-thingie in it to become 'white' like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allene7 (Post 766912)
Not having the folds makes it harder to put make up on? I didn't even consider that. Is that the only thing that makes you dislike your eyes or are there other reasons too?

It's not neccessarily harder to 'put on' but blending effects and colors don't show up as clearly because the lid that holds the color and effects is covered with that extra skin of theirs. ^^

jron 09-01-2009 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allene7 (Post 766802)
I also find Asians to be beautiful. I love the way their eyes look, whether they're small, wide, without a fold, or with a fold. I think it's very sad that having almond shaped eyes can be such a negative thing to some people and I just don't understand what brought this way of thinking about and what's causing it to continue for some.

+1

I also think asian eyes are beautiful. All that fold does is cause makeup to mess up faster.. Don't worry about it!

NanteNa 09-01-2009 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jron (Post 767010)
+1

I also think asian eyes are beautiful. All that fold does is cause makeup to mess up faster.. Don't w:p orry about it!

Not if you use a good primer it won't! ^^v

Miyavifan 09-01-2009 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuujirou (Post 766911)
LIES! =.=
i hate my eyes ;_;
since they have no fold....
so it's uber weird to put on make-up =.=''

hey! It's my opinion.

How does not having folds make it weird putting makeup? I'm sincerely asking, not being sarcastic or anything.

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Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 766984)
Wait....did you guys just say that Asians are beautiful no matter how they look???...........wtf?!?

I said their eyes. with folds, without, whatever. It's all good to me.

yuujirou 09-01-2009 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyavifan (Post 767039)
hey! It's my opinion.

How does not having folds make it weird putting makeup? I'm sincerely asking, not being sarcastic or anything.



I said their eyes. with folds, without, whatever. It's all good to me.

i'm honestly not all that experienced w/ eye make up.... buuut
it looks weird to put eye liner on the upper part of my eye >.>"'
i usually just put a bit on my water line and that's it
but...... meh
i think it'd look better if i had folds, lolz :3

NanteNa 09-01-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuujirou (Post 767048)
it looks weird to put eye liner on the upper part of my eye >.>"'
i usually just put a bit on my water line and that's it
but...... meh
i think it'd look better if i had folds, lolz :3

I'll help you then : D
U dun need folded eyelids to look pretty with eyeliner. ^^v

Allene7 09-01-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 766984)
Wait....did you guys just say that Asians are beautiful no matter how they look???...........wtf?!?

What I'm saying is that whether someone has a fold on their eyelid or not doesn't determine if they are good looking. I think Asians are very attractive. Not because they do or don't have a fold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 767002)
It's not neccessarily harder to 'put on' but blending effects and colors don't show up as clearly because the lid that holds the color and effects is covered with that extra skin of theirs. ^^

Oh, I think I kind of understand. I don't wear make up so I'm not too clear on how difficult it is or isn't to put on in general. I can't stand the feeling of it on my face. It drives me crazy!

yuujirou 09-01-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 767084)
I'll help you then : D
U dun need folded eyelids to look pretty with eyeliner. ^^v

i look so forward to that =.='
you have no idea..
lol =P

NanteNa 09-01-2009 08:20 PM

Allene7@ Ahh well, it's a question of technique, but most Asians blend the darker shadows up against the browbone to make their eyes appear bigger and the colors appear more vibrant. ^^

yuuji@ Why does that not surprise me? : P

yuujirou 09-01-2009 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 767098)
Allene7@ Ahh well, it's a question of technique, but most Asians blend the darker shadows up against the browbone to make their eyes appear bigger and the colors appear more vibrant. ^^

yuuji@ Why does that not surprise me? : P

idk :3
why doesn't it surprise you? xD

NanteNa 09-01-2009 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuujirou (Post 767102)
idk :3
why doesn't it surprise you? xD

TEE HEE! xD We can take that some other time.

BUT! I tell you.. if you have small eyelids, narrow eyes or whatever, it's all about the makeup technique. ^^v

yuujirou 09-01-2009 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 767104)
TEE HEE! xD We can take that some other time.

BUT! I tell you.. if you have small eyelids, narrow eyes or whatever, it's all about the makeup technique. ^^v

*catches next flight to denmark*

haha... i wish ;_;

Allene7 09-01-2009 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 767098)
Allene7@ Ahh well, it's a question of technique, but most Asians blend the darker shadows up against the browbone to make their eyes appear bigger and the colors appear more vibrant. ^^

yuuji@ Why does that not surprise me? : P

Oh, I see. Thanks! ^_^

tksensei 09-01-2009 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allene7 (Post 767085)
I think Asians are very attractive.



No offense, but to say a 'race' is attractive is ridiculous.

MMM 09-01-2009 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allene7 (Post 767085)
What I'm saying is that whether someone has a fold on their eyelid or not doesn't determine if they are good looking. I think Asians are very attractive. Not because they do or don't have a fold.

Unfortunately, in some Asian cultures it is a factor that determines beauty, and I know more than a couple that have used eye glue and gotten surgery to have it changed.

Allene7 09-02-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tksensei (Post 767177)
No offense, but to say a 'race' is attractive is ridiculous.

Some people are more attracted to specific features of others. There's nothing wrong with that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 767179)
Unfortunately, in some Asian cultures it is a factor that determines beauty, and I know more than a couple that have used eye glue and gotten surgery to have it changed.

What exactly is eye glue? Like compared to super glue, regular paper glue, etc. That sounds like it could possibly be painful whatever it is.


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