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Japan could easily pay for the repairs and recovery of the damages it incurred by forcing other countries to repay national debt or selling off-shore subsidiary companies or many other ways which would avoid an economic crisis in Japan. But, as you said, if Japan did that, it would shift the economic crisis to those countries. The alternative is donations as you implied, but it's no solution. Regardless of who pays for it, natural disasters take their toll on humanity. Regarding the Haiti vs Japan issues. The total sum required to bring either of the places back to their former glory is like comparing a hotwheels toy car to an F1 prototype model. And then there's the factor that the dollar given to Haiti may find it's way into a greedy pocket a lot more easily than in Japan. Those are my two cents. |
TO Nippom,
I understand and agree with much of what you are saying. The OP acknowledges in his first post that the title of this thread appears heartless, and I can understand the disappointment you felt in reading such a title in a forum dedicated to Japan at a time when Japan is going through the worst natural disaster in modern history. The OP says the purpose of the thread is to bring attention to places that need money more than Japan, but my suspicion is that it is to get an emotional reaction from well-meaning posters like yourself. The US Supreme Court has ruled that freedom of speech cannot be suppressed, even if it is people holding up signs that say "God Hates F*gs" at the funerals of fallen soldiers. Of course JF is not held to the same standards as public property in America, but I think you can see my point. |
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In any case I would say a combination of the two (donations) and the said above should be used, that way the full force of any stresses different parties might recieve by focusing on either option could be spread out. |
According to the Korean newspaper article, it is ・・.
The amount of money that Korean people raised funds for Haiti is 9 million dollars. The Korean Red Cross reserves 6 million dollars of those to their fixed deposit accounts. The Korean Red Cross should send good will of Korea to Haiti. |
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Actually if you remember this thread started because you asked me to make a seperate thread as this was originally being discussed in the charity for Japan thread. But I think that fact is clouded by your vendetta against me. |
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obvious troll is obvious. How did this get to page 11.
Do not feed the troll. |
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Actually, I am absolutely disgusted by this thread!!! no further comment.. |
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I mean you essentially just accused me of being a troll for starting this thread when you know how this thread was started. You played a part in it's coming to be. |
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The only reason I piped in is because I didn't want Nippom to be so frustrated that he left the boards. That is all. Now this is me disengaging from you again, as I don't feel like being accused of trolling and stalking yet again. |
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If that was the only reason you piped in then you probably should've left out the part where you accused me of trolling when in fact you know the facts about how this thread came into fruition. Next time you decide to passively aggressively take a dig don't be surprised if you get accused of trolling. (I never accused you of stalking) |
1- There are next to no Japanese on this site.
2- I have Japanese friends. Close ones too. And while I don't know all of their opinions on such a matter, I know that a couple agree with me. 3- I have nothing to be embarrased about... I wasn't trolling.. I asked a legitimate question and made what I thought to be a rational point. 4- I never made any insulting remarks to Japanese... the only insulting remarks I made here were directed to particular people who I felt deserved them. Finally if you understood Japanese culture like you say you do.. you would understand that emotion is seen as somewhat of a weakness. Your objection to what I wrote has everything to do with your emotional disposition and what you PERCIEVE I said (I repeat I never insulted Japanese people) and nothing to do with a logical and rationale counter argument. |
I would not worry Nippom, Ronin likes to be controversial. I doubt if many others agreed with his post-- so do not let it worry you.
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I'm going to be honest and say I can't be bothered to go through pages and pages - since the last time I checked this thread - to see what's been said, so sorry in advance if I repeat anything . . .
I have to ask why the huge outcry against what Ronin said? Logicaly he has a point. I won't say if I agree or disagree, I think that's irrelevant at this stage, but I do think it's unfair for one guy to get so much hassle when he asks a legitimate question. In the press the Japanese seem to empthasise to quite a degree just how okay they are and how they will be fine, it seems to me that it's the Western press that paints them as bein helpless . . . what happened is an awful, awful tragedy, but if the country that has been affected doesn't ask for help then surely it's better to divert that help to other nations who do require/ask for it? I remember at the start of all this that the US had ships and people ready to help the moment Japan asked, and they delayed asking for quite some time . . . Aside from that the country is far richer than other nations, such as Haiti, who - as far as I'm aware - are still effected even now, a year or more later, by what happened there. I think the people in Japan need all the help and support they can get, but the question is can Japan help itself and do we need to intervene? I think it's a worthy debate to ask whether our time/resources are being distributed fairly and whether we couldn't be helping someone more by sending our money elsewhere. |
ahwell to each his own but I personally disagreed with Ronin.
Not a very nice thing to post on the actual Japan Forum and I personally sent some money. Seeing the devastation, what human heart can turn away? My friend has lost some good friends-- Have some compassion please. I also donated to Haiti long ago-- its up to individuals to decide where they make donations. Maybe Japan was rich but thats what they say about our own country-- yet many individuals are struggling to survive. |
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The parts I did understand just show that you're crazy. Bottom line is as Robin and Rick have put it. There have been some rational counter points made sure.... but most of this thread is people getting irrationally upset. |
You bring up a logical point, but Haiti's government has enough money to help it's people out, but doesn't. It's like this in many areas of the world, and so charities like, for example, Oxfam 365, go directly to the people.
All people need help. Be it Japan, Haiti, Bangladesh or anywhere else. People die of lack of supplies, and every small bit of change helps. Ironically, If the disaster would happen to you, and people refused to help because you're in a rich country (I'm unaware of how the New Zealand economy, so just imagine you are in a rich country), you would also feel slighted. And what's stopping you from donating to multiple causes anyways? |
If this thread is going to move to simply tossing insults around, then it will be closed.
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This is a trend lately on JF that I do not like, so let's stick to discussing the content of people's arguments without attacking their character. |
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The only one that can't see that here is you as 4 people since have basically agreed. As for the rest of it... I didn't understand her diatribe which was basically a personal attack (I understood that much though it's interesting but not surprising how you ignore that fact lol). It wasn't a case of grammar (though it wasn't the best... I've seen native speakers make the same sort of mistakes on the net.. but it's the net... everyone's sloppy). it seems more like the misuse or at the very least unnatural use of words. |
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