The only new point you've made that I haven't already countered.

And it's a good point. But I would say that rationally that works in the other direction. (i.e. Let Japan PAY for the stuff it needs.)

But if I have a spare blanket, it would be pretty sh*tty to try and sell it to Japan when it's a SPARE blanket.

It's the same with expertise. If I have a bunch of specialists to spare which could be put to far better use somewhere else, then it would be pretty sh*tty to get Japan to pay their salary.

Just because the Red Cross supports governmental and emergency services does not mean they get government funding and in fact don't (referring to UK);

Income and expenditure | British Red Cross

But what makes you think that the Japanese government is not already paying for some of the relief effort????? As someone else pointed out, the country is already in debt, and they also have to plan for the money needed for any rebuilt effort after. Just like in Canada, houses destroyed by natural disasters are not covered by insurance. The government absorb the cost to resituate affected people. All that needs money. They will need to dig deeper into their pocket when the rescue effort is done, nobody will be teeing on to help then.

We our help now will releif some of the preside on the government economically, and that may have an impliction on how much the country can afford on. The rebuild. We are not tLking about a few houses, but an entire city and an entire power plant.......

it makes sense
but still I'll help japan in any effort I could perform, a very little amount of donation and even just saving electricity or water at this time :)

I've already covered that.

I'm sure the Japanese government has their own relief effort mobilized. The Japanese are in debt but they aren't bankrupt. They will just have to borrow more to pay for it.

As far as I'm concerned, Japanese debt and the disaster are two different issues. If the disaster DIDN'T happen Japan would still be in debt. Now it will just be in a little bit more debt.

But like I said.. it has the economy to pay for it.

Wrong; you haven't considered the knock on effects of the loss of six reactors. Since you are not prepared to listen anybody else's reasoning let alone mine I will let you work this one out for yourself, it's quite simple.

What's the effect of the meltdown on the relief effort? It doesn't matter how much money you give Japan, it's not going to change how the rescue effort is hampered because of the radiation.

Any economic knock on effects of the loss of six reactors are not my problem. The relief effort is the only concern of mine.

I mean seriously.. why don't you go and bail Japan out of debt while you're at it.

That's not what I am talking about, you need to give my post deeper thought yet it isn't at all difficult if you can of course be bothered.

Until now I would have credited you more sense than to make an idiotic remark like that.:eek:

Why do you think that are japan so rich? And even if the disaster is dreadful. Someone to use help in such moments. Because of that i am spend money for japan. It hurts like hell to see this disaster! I hope to God that they to eliminate core melt accident.

PS: Please forgive me my bad english!!! ^^ I had into the school the note "4". In Germany is "1" the best and "6" the worst. XD

again sorta not
 

Source: United Kingdom Department for International Development (DFID)

It might help to clarify the difference between 'contributions' and 'government funding'. The International Committee of the Red Cross may not receive government funding - although yes, they do receive 'contributions' or donations from national governments. However, on the national level, the Red Cross organizations are receiving government funding.
In the case of the UK and Canada, the Red Cross organizations in those countries are not just receiving 'contributions', they are receiving government funding and have funding agreements with the governmental aid agencies.

The British Red Cross has received the most government funding (£52 million) above all other international development NGOs from the Department for International Development (UK). This funding was listed under bilateral aid in DfID accounts, which is still government funding and comes with conditions. The Canadian Red Cross received $210,268,139 from all levels of government. The funding the Canadian Red Cross receives from the federal government (specifically the Canadian International Development Agency, CIDA) comes from both funding agreements with specific outcomes and matching donations for emergency situations.

Example below is UK government funding ICRC

Britain to fund emergency medical teams for Libya
Source: United Kingdom Department for International Development (DFID)
Date: 09 Mar 2011

The British Government will fund the International Committee of the Red Cross, enabling them to provide three medical teams to treat and provide medical supplies to 3000 people affected by the ongoing fighting in Libya.

The UK will also provide food and supplies to 100,000 of those most in need. This follows International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell's visit to the area on Friday.

Support from Britain will deliver:

Funding for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to provide three medical/surgical teams;

For more information, please contact Chris Kiggell in the DFID Press Office on 020 7023 0504 or email: [email protected]

I wish there was some way I could help out north korea....is there an underground movement helping average people in North Korea??

Help both.
Buddha Bless.
but tbh, the country that shows the most quality from its people will be first on my list. /shrug. I doubt japan will be "All fine and happy" next month.

Great point.
I can respect idealism.
But for the ones who wish to be helped, I wish I could.

Nah.. you need to spell out what it is you're saying exactly.

Because I really think that you're pretending to know what you're talking about by trying to act all condescending.

In my post I briefly addressed the knock on effects which would affect the relief effort and the Japanese economy.

What other knock on effects are you talking about?

Furthermore.. I've already said earlier that I'm willing to reconsider my position of the nuclear reactors go into full meltdown.

But it seems like that has been averted.

Idiotic remark? It's a rhetorical statement aimed at your point. I mean how much of Japan's economic troubles are you willing to lift off of them?

My answer clearly is none because I think they are capable of handling their debt on their own.

I thought this before the disaster and I still think this.

Everyone could just send their money to me, after all, every would be dictator needs to start somewhere and I have yet to hire my first battalion of goons.

Maybe I can get some from Gadafi for cheap, looks like several will be on the market soon.

Woo hoo run out of steam have you? There was nothing condescending at all in what I said, the fact is you never consider any further than saying 'Japan is rich enough to sort out it's own financial problems.'


As I said that isn't difficult to work out.

Your remark was plain stupid and you know it! You said 'why not go bail them out yourself.'

Anyway to sum up what would a student living in New Zealand know about Japan's financial affairs? There's no money left for a great many things in the UK. With Japan's investments abroad and a world recession means a lot of lost revenue which will take a long time to recoup. However, Japan is an organized democratic country so would be able to pay it's creditors albeit over time unlike your 'friends' in Haiti in which you likely never get a cent in return.

Exactly why Japan should pay for it's own relief effort and not me.

And I've already made a similar point.

We're talking charity after all.

The rest of your post is just you posturing.

Either put up or shut up.

Why don't you instead of sounding like a parrot? I don't think there is much point discussing anything with you as you clearly have only one set of rationals: YOUR OWN! You clearly have not considered the economic effects and from what I can see have no ability whatsoever in understanding the economics of a country. You remind me of the rural environment that grew up in; people there live in 'cocoons' too.

Well Vanguard,Gokaiger,OOO and other things I don't watch are back on so they must be in a state in which they can watch them. I think TV stations in Japan know when people are ready for things. What did surprise me is I read they were skipping an episode of Kamen Rider OOO because there was too much destruction in it. But it seems to actually be next weeks episode they're skipping[which looks like a LOL episode]. Even though they've shown the next time preview and kids are gonna wonder why it has a different plot next week!

Blah blah blah... you're all bark and no bite.

Technically, everyone one here is all bark and No bite Ronin, it's why we are on here.

What I meant is his posts have no substance.

It can be paraphrased into "I'm right you're wrong"

"I'm right and your wrong", caused every major war in history.

Yup! That sums up this whole thread nicely.

Ronin4Hire, no one ever said you HAVE to. So don't. I think that's what everyone's essentially getting down to. Don't. You don't have to. No one is telling you you have to. So don't. People have certainly said we all should. But just like you, other people get to decide for themselves. So if you get annoyed thinking you're being told to "give" then understand when people are annoyed that you told them "don't give".

If you consider Japan well off, I certainly understand. But if people consider this a severe emergency situation, that I understand as well.

And the US is pretty rich, but if I get hit by severe flooding or hurricane, I'll still need help. My government situation usually isn't mine. I did GREAT during the Clinton era when our government ran out of money and froze pay. So I tend to lean in the direction of "give to the Red Cross, and they'll use it where it IS needed, wherever in the world that is for now." The Red Cross doesn't just cover Japan.....and frankly, the money used in any current disaster is the money the charity raised 6 months ago.....the money you send now will help the NEXT emergency, wherever that is.....maybe you'll get lucky at it'll be Haiti and you'll feel like then it's OK to help a few folks out, because their lives suck so much and so regularly that you can feel really REALLY good about skipping that big lunch out or new toy purchase. Or whatever it is that makes it really worth it to you to help major worldwide charities.

At this stage I'm just defending my point.

Good for you if you are kind enough to give to people in a disaster.

I'm just saying, donating money to Japan is charity misplaced.

I will not give to the USA or any other developed country in a disaster either.

youre right
 

yes, youre right, my opinion is the same .. they are one of the richest country in the world, they can help themselfes .. and, they have the luxus of a monarchy which cost millions of dollars every year for nothing, what are these people are doing for a job for that money ? ... nobody is seen in fukushima of them ... i have the same opinion, japan need no money .. they need new politicans for the future who really help in such a situation in fukshima directly ... nobody is seen ... they have money but they are not able to help the victims, the own people are sitting without eat, water, medical, heat .. thats the real tragedy ...

same, no money for rich countries ... they can help themselfes vey quick when they short their own luxury a little bit ...

trend
 

well, its really a trend to shout for money today because it is easier than to open the own money box ... and i really hate this ... you must different who has enough like japan and just has to cut a little bit luxury and countries which have no possibility and are really poor .. japan is not poor, they are luxury over all ... and the hole south is intact .. so there is really enough money to help the own people .. they can solve their problem by themselfe ... and maybe this monarchy save a litte bit money this year from the millions they get like every monarchy in world ... mass of money ... a expensive hobby today to have a monarchy without any sense today ... only historical ... :cool:

You need to consider the bigger picture, Japan isn't in a vacuum.
If Japan is forced to use a critical amount of resources to recuperate from this disaster, then one of the biggest consumer-economies of the world will be taken out of play, this will domino effect into all developed countries first as major loss of employment and Lehman-shock-like effects all over again.
There is a global economic infrastructure in place which is very fragile, and if all parts of it don't move in unison then it has adverse effects in places that are seemingly unrelated.

Conversely, simply giving money to most poor countries has in the past generally created dependencies, not progress.

oh and for the record, I think any country whose economic system has been displaced or imbalanced by a disaster or war etc is equally worthy of financial assistance.
It's not a case of a or b, it's a and b.

Give to whatever cause you feel justified in giveing too..
Ronin, your free to do that same as anyone. So you don't give to Japan..that's fine. It's your choice..same as it's anyone's choice to give to Japan if they want to.

Your complaining aboout percieved misplaced donations...Maybe you should be glad they are willing to donate to begin with.

Why should Haiti Get the donations just cause they are "poor". the leadership of Haiti is keeping that country in poverty. Nobody can reliability say where the money being donated to Haiti is going to. the leadership if Japan is more trust worthy then of Haiti hell the leadership of Japan is smarter then the current leadership of America which shames me greatly. Man it sucks when you have a President who tells Japan a Kick ass Partner in defending Western Civilization which just had a earth quake our bond is unshakeable

Japan Earthquake: Two Weeks Later
 

Hey everyone :)

I just thought some of you guys will find it interesting to read this...

Japan Earthquake: Two Weeks Later - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

there is a good reason not to donate to haiti. there are too many sketchy volunteering groups are working in haiti. just for the record haiti is as sketchy as another country called new zealand. i never regret donating money to japan.

Well what you are saying maybe kinda cold to some people but i kinda understand what you are trying to say, but im sure i totally disagree with your post. When you donate, you donate to the people not to the govermentm and even though it goes to the goverment it also helps the whole world, as you see japan is like the source of energy of this world, it gives food, technology and tons of thing more. Soo it affects the whole world, so donating to japan is like donating to your self. Another easy example is the cars company like toyota and nissan, some of them have stop selling since they have runned out of matterial and things, so that makes lots of un-employes, so that also affects the economy in any country, so to make this shortter. Donating to japan is donating to the whole world.

There's nothing wrong with dissent, as long as it's civil. To try and rule that everything on this forum has to be one-sided in favor of Japan defeats the purpose of this place: learning.

I do agree, though, that profanity has no place here, especially in a thread discussing a sensitive topic like this one.

I never insulted Japan or Japanese people. In fact as I've said numerous times in the thread.. Japan is probably one of the places I have a strong emotional connection with.

It was a purely rational plea, that people like you took exception PURELY based on your emotional disposition.

If you're offended then I don't really care. Because I've said nothing wrong.

lol.. what thread are you reading? Some of the people here were equally as "rude".

Things got out of hand because I was repeatedly frustrated with having to repeat myself.

I'm not apologizing though.. just explaining.

Right or wrong,
to expect people not to react purely emotionally is a little too much to ask I think ;) don't you?

especially on this forum regarding a topic which can easily be perceived as an affront to Japan ><