No but Japanese government has money (or can produce it). So why do I need to give mine?

It's bullsh*t.

I would rather give to help a country that can't cope financially.

This is logic.

Buddy I hear ya, I added Haiti donation links to the thread I started to persuade people to donate toward Haiti also.

Thanks for at least listening to me even if we didn't agree.

Good luck with your aid work.

no worries. we both want to help in our own way.

I thought the thread would come to an end already, Ronin, there's no point. you want people to support Haiti, that's great. Start up a thread to encourage people to do so, and give them reasons why they should.

This is JF forum, so people have an attachment to Japan for whatever reason, so people are more willing to see it go toward Japan. But if you want people on this forum to donate to other countries also, then say why they should and they will begin to feel the same for them.

It's awareness, if you raise awareness properly, they WILL donate to Haiti and other causes. The way you are going about it, will make them reject your proposal even if the reason behind it isn't wrong. You're not being selfish thats great, just end this thread and start a new one.

Give people a background of haiti
the people caught up in the haiti disaster
give them more information
and provide them a way to donate and a way to help
and they will listen to u, if u do it like that.

Just a tip, so relax and end this thread.

What the f*ck dude.

I'm over it.

And I'm just pointing out that money is being wasted on Japan because the Japanese government runs the THIRD richest country in the world. It doesn't have to be Haiti that they donate to. Just somewhere that NEEDS money.

To illustrate the competition I'm talking about... substitute awareness for marketing and charity for investment.

There are so many issues that people are already competing for charity so why give it to the THIRD richest country in the world?

Doesn't make sense.

FYI- I'm one of those people that has a special connection to Japan. But I'm not stupid to fall for this bullsh*t.

PS- You quoted Misa not me.

British Red Cross Quote - "In the event that we receive more donations to the Japan Tsunami Appeal than the Japanese Red Cross and International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement can reasonably and efficiently spend, any surplus funds will be used to help us prepare for and respond to humanitarian disasters both here in the UK and overseas."

That means if there is remaining left over (which there will be for sure) it will be used on other projects. So it's not a waste, I'm guessing many people who wouldnt normally donate to charities have done so just because it is Japan. That extra money will still be spent on other projects.

Anyway, dude watch your language, I'm trying to help u.

The quote you gave me is irrelevant.

It doesn't address my point.

And you aren't trying to help.

You tried to offer me an olive branch with your "let's agree to disagree" bullsh*t then tried to undercut the point I made.

I don't need your help.

I'm making a perfectly rational point and I will continue to make it unless a) people stop challenging me on it or b) They make a point that is more rational that defeats it.

My answer to you is... nobody gives a fuck what u think because u cannot accept other peoples opinion. You want to always be right, this is why nobody listens to your argument. Whether it is right or not. Your attitude is totally wrong. Stop swearing.

Well obviously people do give a f*ck because this thread has over 3000 views and close to 200 replies.

My attitude is not "wrong".

And of course I always want to be right. Everyone does.

Oh and you're a hypocrite... I highlighted the part I'm talking about. But I'm not offended by your swearing. We're both adults after all.

how old are u?

do u think your words aren't provocation?

are u a dictator? no? then learn to accept not everyone will suddenly think the same as you no matter how rational your thoughts may seem. This is the point.

after all of those comments surely u must have realised already not everyone will accept what you think. So why are you persisting on this? do you think after another 5000 posts everyone will agree? no of course not. So why do you bother?

I would rather give support to Japan simply because I happen to have friends there, I have lived there for a long time, I like its culture and have a personal connection to it whereas to Haiti I don't.

My words are not intended to provoke anger. Rather provoke thought.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But if you're going to challenge a point I make then expect me to defend it as long as I believe in it.

Sure defend it all you wish, just when someone says something you disagree with, don't say it is b/s etc. After they hear that, they wont want to know what you have to say, because you aren't interested in what they have to say, and in the end both people will go around in circles.

I've already donated a very considerable amount to the Red Cross.

If I hadn't, I would've pledged a few dollars for every post made by Ronin4hire in this thread.

Im sick of people like you saying why should people donate there money to Japan? This is not about Japan being a rich country. This is about assisting and helping people to re-build their lives.

I'm actually listening to what everyone is saying but they aren't listening to me.

Often repeating the same points about overall aid when I'm only really referring to financial assistance.

Some say that they have a closer affinity to Japan than other countries which I can only reply, big deal.... so do I.

I have lived there and studied it's history and culture for years. I appreciate Japan... but I am under no illusions as to their position in the world as the world's third richest country. Japan might be going through a tough spot at the moment but they'll cope financially at least (and where they can't cope I'm more than happy to send aid packages.. I mentioned earlier that I will be donating some spare blankets and sleeping bags to Japan).

Some want to deny that the Red Cross is completely seperate from Japan. As an organization it is but it doesn't address the point that financial contributions are being made to assist a country that can easily pay for itself.

Then you have the ridiculuous and even sometimes borderline racist points concerning things like macro-economics etc.

One guy even said that we need to donate money because the Japanese might have lost access to their ATM's lol.

Against all these points that I have READ and UNDERSTOOD I still think my point stands.

I agree with some of what you said, but you know something, not everyone considers rational logic and they go with their feelings. And feelings aren't always rational, that's just how it is. So even though what you say is rationally sound, people's emotions say completely different, and it's not going to get anywhere. If I was you I'd just leave it at that, i don't know why you want to carry on with other people.

I want people to donate everywhere also, I am doing the Japan one, because it is current. And even if my hard earned money goes to Japan, I don't care because I would have wasted it on an iPad anyway. I have no regrets and I still donate to other charities also.

I do understand your point. As I aspect, people are already creating jokes on this event and one of them I saw is "Finally. A natural disaster in a country I don't have to give money to." But it's the way within your posts that appears negative if you know what I mean.

Well again... even though we disagree... respect to you for your work in charity and to anyone that gives out of kindness.

I acknowledge that people are more emotional about this sort of thing than rational.

I guess I'm not that kind of guy.

ok i got it,

I better get on with my assignment now.

See you later mate :vsign:

Thank you.

Oh yeah.. and I agree that those people are terrible.

I heard Glenn Beck (Famous Conservative American radio and TV talkshow host) say something like it was God's punishment.

I hate Glenn Beck with a passion already.

Rapper 50cent made some really retarded jokes about it too.

Yup.. good luck dude. :vsign:

With all those people in the world you hate Ronin, how do you find time to like anyone?

I didn't donate to Haiti well because to be honest I didn't even know there was an issue there! Living in Japan kind of cuts you off from the rest of the world if you don't actively attempt to stay in touch and I haven't.

Ronin I see points your trying to make

but

donations after natural disasters are not put into rebuilding infastructure...as far as I know the Red cross will not start rebuilding roads, goverment buildings and the idea that it will go to private housing is laughable.

think simple a blanket to help keep warm..maybe some clean water to drink.

By your logic if Bill gates got his legs crushed outside my house I shouldnt offer him comfort or aid because hes got lots of cash.

Typical demagogic ignorant comment. I guess you are not a PhD in economics...
Hmm...how could i start...? ok, forget it. Go back to school.

Too bad this is my 1st post in here. Hello everyone!

Listen Ronin I do see what your trying to say but cursing when someone doesn't agree with you won't solve anything. People donate to what they want there is nothing we do to change that.

Now I think of what your trying to do is honorable of you but starting a fight with other members wasn't very smart. Try to keep a cool head next time ok? Listen I do hope your words reached most people, and be more carful next time never pull the race card that only starts war.

Theres my 2 Cents

I couldn't agree more.

Japan will pull through. There's plenty of other countries that need the money more than Japan does. I'm more worried about the nuclear reactor leak and all this stuff, rather than the tsunami cause this is a problem that can be fixed with time and fortunately Japan has economic resources to solve the damage caused by the earthquake.

People have lost homes and families, I am not sure time will ever fix their suffering. As for your statement; 'Japan has economic resources to solve the damage', I would cast doubt on that assertion since the country is now accepting foreign aid.

I was referring to infrastructure damage.Time + money will fix all of it.


Yeah, because it's always good to take donations and welcome foreigners who are willing to help. So what? How can you even argue that? Japan is a powerful economic nation, the consequences of the earthquake would have been a million times worse if it had happened somewhere else. I agree all countries should support Japan in its recovery, but not by giving money as I can hardly think of a country in a better economic condition than Japan's in at the moment. If you want to donate money, give it to those countries who truly are in need of money; if you want to help Japan, go there help clean up the mess. Money, they got plenty.

So because Japan is an economic power they don't deserve the money as much as a third world nation run by dictators?

I am not seeing the correlation between "economically strong government" and "people freezing in the cold without food and water". They need help now. It's that simple. Foreign aid workers are on the ground digging people out, get people fed, finding bodies and getting them taken care of. THESE people don't fly there by magic. It takes money to get them food and equipment, get them on planes get them working.

You seem to have a lot more faith in the Japanese government than the people of Japan do right now.

Everyone is suspicious of the government until they need help, and now you and Ronin are saying "No, the government is strong. They can take care of the Japanese people." Well, which is it. Is the government capable of doing it on their own or not? The last 5 days show us, clearly not. The money put into the relief effort is not going to building harbors and bridges. It is going to try to save lives, get people out of danger, recover bodies, and clear paths so the healing and building can even start to begin.

Seems you are one of the many who never listens to the news or reads the newspapers. The country is in debt like many other places and needs money, in any case donations are going to charities who are helping distribute food and blankets - nothing wrong with that.


Statements like that smack of both arrogance and racism; I am not in any way trained to deal with such disasters and even if I was there are logistical considerations to which you have not given one iota of thought.

Dude.. actually read what I said. I have no problem helping to provide Japan what it lacks. But money isn't one of those things.

Please read what I said. I have no problem giving resources to Japan that they lack. But money is not one of them.

I didn't pull the race card. I'm not accusing anyone of being racist except people I know who actually are (like Sangetsu)

Again... read what I said. I have no problem giving Japan what it lacks. But money is not one of those things

They might not be capable of providing the assistance.. but they are capable of funding those that CAN.

Seriously.. I'm sick of repeating this over and over.

You and others are more concerned with twisting my position into something it isn't then trying to demonize me because your "precious Japan" is in trouble. Well guess what... Japan is precious to me too. I'm just being a little bit more rational than you folks about the situation.

Rich countries, such as Japan, that have the money to PAY for aid workers from all over the world to fly over there and help in any way possible don't need donations as much as other countries which are in equal need of help and, unlike Japan, have no money to fix the damage. That's all I'm saying and it's the truth. Turn it around all you want, it's true and it's undeniable.

EDIT: LOL Gee, I just got called a racist in the previous page for saying the above. How funny.

Look who's playing the race card?

If you just stop and think... it's a very rational point being made.

Japan is in debt but it is the third largest economy in the world and a developed country.

The fact is that many countries are in debt. Debt alone doesn't cripple a country. It means Japan will probably have to go into slightly more debt (not saying 99billion is small change.. but comparitive to Japan's debt it is) to borrow to pay for this tragedy but the fact is that it has the economy to recover from this.

Like I said.. if Japan suddenly becomes the world's 4th richest country instead of the third then big deal.